обходная технология

00:08 Sep 26, 2008 

To Mariusz: Thank you for kind words. I was under impression that I am trying to defend only option 2 according to your schematic. Can't claim anything more than that. Thanks again, gentlemen.

23:52 Sep 25, 2008 

To James: non-standard or alternative. Please note, in the UK culture of understatement to say that something is "non-orthodox" verges on insult.

23:45 Sep 25, 2008 

I love your explanation, Angela - OT as an understatement :-) Well, an English equivalent of this understatement would be very much a "non-standard", or even "a non-orthodox technology". Thanks to both of you for this stimulating discussion.

23:42 Sep 25, 2008 

Mariusz, by "got it right the first time," do you mean the proposed translation, "interim, non-standard, or alternative technology" given in a previous KudoZ answer? Or do you mean "bypass technology." When I hear "bypass technology" I think "muffler bypass" -- which is something else entirely. But maybe the other KudoZ answer just leads me in that direction :-).

23:39 Sep 25, 2008 

Ouch, I still think... 1) small batch/standard, 2) small batch / non standard, 3) mass manufct/ standard, 4) mass manufct/non standard. I understand ОТ as both option 2 and option 4. Angela's approach seems to cover both option 1 and option 2.

23:33 Sep 25, 2008 

Mariusz and James, we all seem to talk about the same in different words. My choice of words may not have been the best, but what I mean is that обходная технология is used when mass production is not possible or feasible. Обходная does mean “roundabout” and it does mean that you don’t have all the means to produce smth in a standard manufacturing process, so you have to assemble/design/manufacture/etc. whatever you are trying to make as a single unit or a small batch almost кустарным способом. That IS how prototypes are made. In the Russian reality I can even envision them welding this railcar together by hand. :-)

23:25 Sep 25, 2008 

James, I'm very happy to help but I still thing that you got it right the first time. Please imagine two axes: Y: standard - non standard, X: small batch - mass manufacturing. You obtain four logical possibilities: small batch/standard,

23:09 Sep 25, 2008 

I've been racking my brains to try and figure out how best to translate the term. Mariusz, I think you hit it with "small batch technology." It's just ambiguous enough to fit. And prototypes are typically made in small batches -- often a batch of one.

22:56 Sep 25, 2008 

an essential raw material, you need to find out a roundabout way to manufacture your product, think rubber and Саксаул зайсанский. But the main point is that a non-standard, alternative technology and small batch technology operate in different dimensions

22:47 Sep 25, 2008 

My apologies, Angela, as regards Rolls Royce, because I genuinely confused these mufflers with these in cars. I think, however, that the rest of my argument stands. If you design a factory for one type of a manufacturing process and you cannot get

22:21 Sep 25, 2008 

James, I'm absolutely certain you are right and your client is wrong - if that is any consolation. And BTW, I used to be a science and technology correspondent for some 15 years.

22:02 Sep 25, 2008 

The antonym of your phrase would be: серийное производство. So you need to look for the opposit of this. Did I confuse you enough? :-)

21:58 Sep 25, 2008 

I found a synonym in Russian: единичная сборка. Maybe this will help you find your phrase.

21:53 Sep 25, 2008 

I'll let you think up the proper English term for it. Hope this helps.

21:51 Sep 25, 2008 

What it basically means that they are going to custom make this thing (and most probably put it together by hand), because no production line exists yet.

21:50 Sep 25, 2008 

Обходная технология - значит вне конвейера. Это новация, не учтенная еще в принятой технологической цепочке. Ручным способом.

21:42 Sep 25, 2008 

The proposed translation that wasn't accepted was "interim, nonstandard, or alternative technology." No justification was given for that answer. Considering that they're making prototypes at that stage, I wonder if "interim technology" might not be about right? What do you think?

21:37 Sep 25, 2008 

There was a previous question about this term at

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/engineering_gen...

That question concerned manufacture of mufflers, and the answer given was "bypass technology." That doesn't seem to work here.