слобода

German translation: Siedlung oder Ansiedlung

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Russian term or phrase:слобода
German translation:Siedlung oder Ansiedlung
Entered by: Jarema

08:56 Jul 31, 2002
Russian to German translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Russian term or phrase: слобода
"В Ипатевской слободе
По улицам водят коня.
На улицах пьяный бардак,
На улицах полный привет."

Все тот же БГ ("Не пей вина, Гертруда", еще одно местечко откопал). В принципе знаю, что "слобода", это просто такое довольно сельское место, но как бы это красиво выразить на немецком? Langenscheidt, пожалуй, ничего дельного не предлагает.
Спасибо!
Steffen Pollex (X)
Local time: 05:57
Siedlung oder Ansiedlung
Explanation:
Zum Beispiel:
Erich Franz SOMMER, Die Anfänge der Moskauer deutschen Sloboda, in: DArchLandesVolksforschung 5, 1941, S. 421-444
Sloboda ist hier und fast immer eine Siedlung oder ein Stadtbezirk, die z. B. fuer die Ansiedlung von einer bestimmten Bevoelkerungsgruppe zugelassen wurden.

Noch eine Variante: Vorstadt,
http://www.friedlandhilfe.de/Geschichte/geschichte.html

Aber ich finde es nicht ganz korrekt.
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Jarema
Ukraine
Local time: 06:57
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Çíà÷èò, ìîæíî âïîëíå è ïåðåâåñòè êàê "Dorf", êàê ÿ è ïëàíèðîâàë. À íàñ÷åò òîãî, ÷òî çàâèäóåòå ìîåé òàêîé ðàáîòå (â÷åðà ïèñàëè): ëó÷øå íå íàäî, òàê ñêàçàòü, "È ïîòíî è ïî÷åòíî". Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ïîòåòü ïðèøëîñü è åùå ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîðÿäî÷íî. Õîòÿ, íå ñïîðþ, åñòü îïðåäåëåííûé êàéô â òîì, ÷òî ïåðåâîäèøü ëþáèìûõ àðòèñòîâ íà ñâîé ðîäíîé ÿçûê. Íî, ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ýòî íàñòîëüêî îòâåòñòâåííî! Êàê áû íå ïðîêîëîòüñÿ. Êñòàòè, ó ìåíÿ åùå îñòàëèñü "Êîíè áåñïðåäåëà" íåòðîíóòûå, à ñ íèìè ÿ, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, çàòðóäíÿþñü, ïîòîìó òåêñò âñòðå÷àþ âïåðâûå, à ìåëîäèþ âîîáùå íå çíàþ. Åñòü æåëàíèå? Òîëüêî äî çàâòðà äî óòðà.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1Siedlung oder Ansiedlung
Jarema
4 +1Vorort, Vorstadt
Yuri Dubrov
5ñì. íèæå
geacom!
5Да, у меня идут пе
Сергей Лузан
3Freisiedlung
Alexey Morozov
3îòâåò íà ïðåäëîæåíèå
Jarema


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Vorort, Vorstadt


Explanation:
so

Yuri Dubrov
Russian Federation
Local time: 06:57
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  geacom!: Vorstadt,(Freiort, Freidorf?) http://www.hansischergeschichtsverein.de/hu/1998/276.html
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Siedlung oder Ansiedlung


Explanation:
Zum Beispiel:
Erich Franz SOMMER, Die Anfänge der Moskauer deutschen Sloboda, in: DArchLandesVolksforschung 5, 1941, S. 421-444
Sloboda ist hier und fast immer eine Siedlung oder ein Stadtbezirk, die z. B. fuer die Ansiedlung von einer bestimmten Bevoelkerungsgruppe zugelassen wurden.

Noch eine Variante: Vorstadt,
http://www.friedlandhilfe.de/Geschichte/geschichte.html

Aber ich finde es nicht ganz korrekt.

Jarema
Ukraine
Local time: 06:57
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in UkrainianUkrainian
PRO pts in category: 82
Grading comment
Çíà÷èò, ìîæíî âïîëíå è ïåðåâåñòè êàê "Dorf", êàê ÿ è ïëàíèðîâàë. À íàñ÷åò òîãî, ÷òî çàâèäóåòå ìîåé òàêîé ðàáîòå (â÷åðà ïèñàëè): ëó÷øå íå íàäî, òàê ñêàçàòü, "È ïîòíî è ïî÷åòíî". Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ïîòåòü ïðèøëîñü è åùå ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîðÿäî÷íî. Õîòÿ, íå ñïîðþ, åñòü îïðåäåëåííûé êàéô â òîì, ÷òî ïåðåâîäèøü ëþáèìûõ àðòèñòîâ íà ñâîé ðîäíîé ÿçûê. Íî, ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ýòî íàñòîëüêî îòâåòñòâåííî! Êàê áû íå ïðîêîëîòüñÿ. Êñòàòè, ó ìåíÿ åùå îñòàëèñü "Êîíè áåñïðåäåëà" íåòðîíóòûå, à ñ íèìè ÿ, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, çàòðóäíÿþñü, ïîòîìó òåêñò âñòðå÷àþ âïåðâûå, à ìåëîäèþ âîîáùå íå çíàþ. Åñòü æåëàíèå? Òîëüêî äî çàâòðà äî óòðà.

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agree  Charlotte Blank: Auch bei Henri Troyat in der dt. Ьbersetzung seiner Monografie von Peter I.: Deutsche Vorstadt
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Freisiedlung


Explanation:
Ýòî ñëîâî - ïðîäóêò òâîð÷åñòâà, íî ïî÷åìó áû íå ñòàòü íîâàòîðîì? :-) Ýòî çâó÷èò ëó÷øå ÷åì "Sloboda"

Èç Êèðèëëà è Ìåôîäèÿ:

ÑËÎÁÎÄÀ, íàçâàíèå ðàçëè÷íûõ ïîñåëåíèé â Ðóññêîì ãîñóäàðñòâå 11-17 ââ., íàñåëåíèå êîòîðûõ âðåìåííî îñâîáîæäàëîñü îò ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ ïîâèííîñòåé. Èçâåñòíû ñëîáîäû ñòðåëåöêèå, ìîíàñòûðñêèå, ÿìñêèå, èíîçåìíûå, â ãîðîäàõ ñëîáîäû ðåìåñëåííèêîâ.

Alexey Morozov
Ukraine
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Native speaker of: Russian
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ñì. íèæå


Explanation:

ÑËÎÁÎÄÀ - íàçâàíèå ðàçëè÷íûõ ïîñåëåíèé â Ðóññêîì ãîñóäàðñòâå 11-17 ââ., íàñåëåíèå êîòîðûõ âðåìåííî îñâîáîæäàëîñü îò ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ ïîâèííîñòåé. Èçâåñòíû ñëîáîäû ñòðåëåöêèå, ìîíàñòûðñêèå, ÿìñêèå, èíîçåìíûå, â ãîðîäàõ - ñëîáîäû ðåìåñëåííèêîâ.



×àùå âñåãî ïåðåâîäèòüñÿ êàê Vorstadt èëè Sloboda

a ìîæåò áûòü Freisiedlung èëè Freidorf?

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http://dic.academic.ru/misc/enc2p.nsf/ByID/NT00056B7A

ÑËÎÁÎÄÀ þæí. ñåâ. ñâîáîäà; ñëîáîäíûé, ñëîáîäèòü, ñâîáîäíûé, ñâîáîäèòü. Ñëîáîäà æ. ñòàð. ñåëî ñâîáîäíûõ ëþäåé;
ïðèãîðîäíîå ñåëåíèå, ïîäãîðîäíûé ïîñåëîê, çà ãîðîäîì, ò. å. çà ñòåíîþ, ðîä ïîñàäà. ßìñêàÿ ñëîáîäà, ïðèãîðîäíàÿ óëèöà ÿìùèêîâ; òîðãîâàÿ ñëîáîäà, ïîñàäñêèõ ëþäåé. Ó íàñ îäíîäâîðöû íà ñëîáîäå æèâóò. Ñîëäàòñêàÿ ñëîáîäà, îòñòàâíûõ.

Íûíå, áîëüøîå ñåëî, ãäå áîëåå îäíîé öåðêâè, è òîðã èëè ÿðìàðêà, ëèáî âîëîñòíîå ïðàâëåíèå, ðîä ñåëüñêîé ñòîëèöû; òàêæå ïðîìûøëåíîå, ôàáðè÷íîå ñåëî, ãäå êðåñòüÿíå ïî÷òè íå ïàøóò. Ñëîáîäêà, ñëîáîäî÷êà, ñëîáîäóøêà, óìàëèò. Êàê çà ðå÷åíüêîé ñëîáîäóøêà ñòîèò, ïåñíÿ. Ñëîáîäêè åñòü ïðè áîëüøåé ÷àñòè ãîðîäîâ: ñëîáîäêîé ïðèñåëÿþòñÿ è êðåñòüÿíå, è ìåùàíå, òàêæå îòñòàâíûå, çàíèìàÿñü ÷àñòüþ õëåáîïàøåñòâîì, êóëà÷åñòâîì è ïð. Ìåñòàìè ñëîáîäêó çîâóò (!!!) ôîðøòàòîì (!!!), íåìåöê. Ñëîáîäíîé, ñëîáîäñêîé, êî ñëîáîäå, ñëîáîäñêèé, ê ñëîáîäêå îòíîñÿù. Ñëîáîäíûå æèëüöû. Ñëîáîäñêîé íàðîä. Ñëîáîäñêàÿ öåðêîâü. Ñëîáîäè÷, ñëîáîä÷àíèí ì. ñòàð. ñëîáîæàíèí, -æàíêà, ñëîáîäñêèé æèòåëü. Ñëîáîä÷èê ñòàð. âîëüíûé, íåïðèïèñàííûé ê çåìëå ÷åëîâåê.



    Reference: http://www.academic.ru/misc/enc3p.nsf/ByID/NT00042F6A
geacom!
Estonia
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îòâåò íà ïðåäëîæåíèå


Explanation:
ß áåëîé çàâèñòüþ çàâèäîâàë. :-). Ñ îöåíêîé ðàáîòû àáñîëþòíî ñîãëàñåí.
Ïîìî÷ü ñ ïåðåâîäîì íå ñìîãó. Âñå-òàêè íåìåöêèé íå ðîäíîé. Und ich will mich nicht blamieren. :-)È ñðîêè î÷åíü ñæàòûå. Íî...Ìîãó ïðåäëîæèòü äðóãóþ ïîìîùü, ïîñìîòðåòü íà ãîòîâûé ïåðåâîä. ß äóìàþ, ÷òî â ýòîì íåò íè÷åãî çàçîðíîãî, íàîáîðîò, êà÷åñòâî ìîæåò òîëüêî óëó÷øèòüñÿ. Åñëè åñòü èíòåðåñ ê ýòîìó, ìîæíî íàïèñàòü íà ìîé ðåàëüíûé àäðåñ: [email protected]

Jarema
Ukraine
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Да, у меня идут пе


Explanation:
+ großes Dorf.

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Äà, ó ìåíÿ èäóò ïåðåâîäû, êàê ó ðîêîòà

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Ñòðåëüöû áûëè ðàññåÿíû ïî Ðîññèè ïðè Ïåòðå 1-îì, ïî-ìîåìó. Â Êóðñêå, ãäå ÿ ðîäèëñÿ, òîæå åñòü \"Ñòðåëåöêàÿ ñëîáîäà\".

Сергей Лузан
Russian Federation
Local time: 06:57
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 16
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