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pribranska hidroelektrana

English translation: hydroelectric power plant with powerhouse at the toe of the dam / dam toe powerhouse

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Serbian term or phrase:pribranska hidroelektrana
English translation:hydroelectric power plant with powerhouse at the toe of the dam / dam toe powerhouse
Entered by: Violeta Farrell

05:36 May 4, 2013
Serbian to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering
Serbian term or phrase: pribranska hidroelektrana
Koliko sam uspjela shvatiti postoje tri vrste hidroelektrana: akumulacijske, protocne i reverzibilne. Akumulacijske se dalje dijele na pribranske i derivacijske. Pribranske su one kod kojih se masinerija nalazi u samoj brani.

Nasla sam dosta clanaka u Wikipediji o branama i hidroelektranama, ali nigdje ne mogu da nadjem prikladan termin za pribranska postrojenja. Ima li neko od kolega ideju?
Violeta Farrell
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:49
hydroelectric power plant with powerhouse at the toe of the dam / dam toe powerhouse
Explanation:
Ovo je po meni najpribližnije značenju, pribranska = uz samu branu, da bi se ispoštovala razlika između branskih i pribranskih hidroelektrana pri čemu takva podela u engleskom ne postoji.
http://hydropowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/types-of-hydro-po...
Types of Hydro power Plants
There are two major types of hydro power plants.
1. Dam Toe Power House - Here water intake structure and turbine are very near to each other and head is governed by height of water storage behind the dam. Refer figure 1. Here water conducting system is very small.
2. Run of River Scheme - Here intake structure and Turbine are very far from each other and head is governed by the vertical distance between intake and power house sites not by the storage. Here water conducting system is very long.

Pod 2. bi bilo derivaciona hidroelektrana
dam toe - nožica brane

To ujedno odgovara ovoj podeli/definiciji, u pitanju su nasute brane kod kojih mašinska hala ne može da bude u telu brane pa "branske hidroelektrane" ne bi imalo smisla:
http://www.grad.hr/nastava/hidrotehnika/gf/hidrotehnicke_gra...
Smanjenje rada vode na nekoj dionici u prirodi ostvaruje se:
A) Usporavanjem (građevine u vodotoku) - Usporavanje se ostvaruje izgradnjom brane, te se na taj način smanjuju brzine vode, vučna sila i u konačnici se smanjuje rad vode na kretanju od profila 1 do profila 2 (duž dionice).
B) Derivacijom - odvajanjem dijela vode iz vodotoka i njenim provođenjem izgrađenimprovodnicima. Zahvat se vode ostvaruje na početku dionice (oko profila 1) a povrat vode u vodotok se realizira na nizvodnom kraju dion
ice (profil 2). Provodnici su u pravilu kraći od vodotoka i manjih su otpora kretanju vode, te se na taj način smanjuje rad vode.
C) Kombinacijom usporavanja i derivacije.
Hidroelektrana, kod koje se koristi samo usporavanje nazivaju se PRIBRANSKE HIDROELEKTRANE, a ostale koje se ostvaruju derivacijom ili kombinacijom usporavanja i derivacije nazivaju se DERIVACIJSKE HIDROELEKTRANE

Ukoliko nije u samoj brani već pribranska, mora biti u blizini same (nizvodne) nožice brane:
http://www.slideshare.net/prasadvejendla/basic-terms-of-hydr...
If the power house is located just adjacent to the Dam then it is sometimes called a Dam-toe power house.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/~des0www4/cal/dams/intr/intrf4.htm
Hydroelectric power plants - many dams are constructed to generate hydroelectric power. The powerhouse is located at, or in the vicinity of, the toe of a dam or at some distance downstream. Flow of water into the powerhouse is controlled by valves upstream from the dam, within the dam downstream, or in valve vaults excavated in rock outside of the dam.

https://www.google.rs/search?q=dam toe powerhouse&ie=utf-8&o...

Npr.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam
Excavation for the powerhouse was carried out simultaneously with the excavation for the dam foundation and abutments. A U-shaped structure located at the downstream toe of the dam, its excavation was completed in late 1933 with the first concrete placed in November 1933.

Ovde se vidi "U-shaped structure" - powerhouse:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Hoover-su...
i ovde:
http://lefteyed.aminus3.com/image/2011-11-03.html

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Mira Stepanovic
Serbia
Local time: 07:49
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Summary of answers provided
4hydroelectric power plant in a dam
Aleksandra Lazić
4hydroelectric power plant with powerhouse at the toe of the dam / dam toe powerhouse
Mira Stepanovic
3 -1hydroelectric dam
Mirjana Svicevic
3 -2near-the-dam hydroelectric power station
Daryo
Summary of reference entries provided
Plant inside dam
Natasa Stankovic
Pribranske hidroelektrane
Mira Stepanovic

Discussion entries: 6





  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
hydroelectric dam


Explanation:
Građevinski rečnik, Vukičević 2011.
pribransko postrojenje - storage plant
Ali ne znam koliko je to pouzdano, budući da nisam mogla da potvrdim na internetu.

http://energija.petnica.rs/dl/2007_treca_nagrada72dpi.pdf
U ovom linku ona naziva hydroelectric dam...

http://www.mbgnet.net/fresh/rivers/dams.htm
http://curriculum.cna.ca/curriculum/cna_world_energy_res/hyd...

http://www.tva.gov/power/hydroart.htm
Ukoliko imate neki grafički prikaz, možda ovo može da pomogne.

Mirjana Svicevic
Serbia
Local time: 07:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: to je opšti prevod za branu koja zadržava vodu namenjenu proizvodnji električne energije / " pribranska hidroelektrana" je naziv za "fabriku struje" (halu u kojoj su turbine i generatori) postavljenu u brani ili blizu brane=dve odvojene komponente
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
ribranska hidroelektrana
hydroelectric power plant in a dam


Explanation:
nalazi se na samoj brani, pa iako mi kažemo pribranska, na engleskom je in a dam


    Reference: http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/hyhowworks.html
Aleksandra Lazić
Serbia
Local time: 07:49
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: it is often in the dam itself, but it could also be and sometimes is a separate building near the dam//poglegajte vazdušne snimke brane Bajina Bašta - hale sa turbinama i generatorima su ispred brane.
44 mins
  -> slažem se da može biti i zasebna građevina, ali nisam videla da na engleskom upotrebljavaju bilo koji drugi izraz osim in a dam
agree  Natasa Stankovic: Ili: hydroelectric power plant inside dam - v. Ref.
1 hr
  -> Hvala Nataša!
neutral  Mira Stepanovic: powerhouse "inside dam" bi bilo "branska hidroelektrana"
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
near-the-dam hydroelectric power station


Explanation:
near-the-dam hydroelectric power station
or
hydroelectric power station sited near the dam

pribranska hidroelektrana = hidroelektrana locirana blizu brane

hidroelektrana = hydroelectric power station

blizu brane = near-the-dam,

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in fact "in front of the dam"

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 72
Notes to answerer
Asker: Pogledajte ovaj clanak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Quimbo_Dam gdje u drugom pasusu kaze "The project will have a powerhouse near the base of the dam with an installed capacity of ..." Mislim da cu ipak morati ovako opisno da objasnim pribransko postrojenje.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Natasa Stankovic: Nalazi se u samoj pregradnoj brani (v. ref), a ne blizu brane. Između ostalog, "blizu" je u tehnici vrlo neodređen i neprecizan pojam.
3 hrs
  -> postoji razlika - ova hidroelektrana nije u brani nego pri brani [http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidroelektrane_u_Srbiji]
disagree  Aleksandra Lazić: Mislim da, u nedostatku tačnih termina, ne možemo praviti sopstvene kovanice na engleskom jeziku. Ako već želite preciznost, trebalo bi konsultovati iinženjera energetike koji se time bavi.
1 day 22 hrs
  -> idealno, da//bolja je i razumljiva kovanica nego pogrešan/neprecizan prevod koji će povrh svega biti kasnije korišćen kao referenca i dobar izgovor za ne zamarati glavu s nijansama. (primer: http://www.fbihvlada.gov.ba/bosanski/izdvajamo/construction....
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5 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
hydroelectric power plant with powerhouse at the toe of the dam / dam toe powerhouse


Explanation:
Ovo je po meni najpribližnije značenju, pribranska = uz samu branu, da bi se ispoštovala razlika između branskih i pribranskih hidroelektrana pri čemu takva podela u engleskom ne postoji.
http://hydropowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/types-of-hydro-po...
Types of Hydro power Plants
There are two major types of hydro power plants.
1. Dam Toe Power House - Here water intake structure and turbine are very near to each other and head is governed by height of water storage behind the dam. Refer figure 1. Here water conducting system is very small.
2. Run of River Scheme - Here intake structure and Turbine are very far from each other and head is governed by the vertical distance between intake and power house sites not by the storage. Here water conducting system is very long.

Pod 2. bi bilo derivaciona hidroelektrana
dam toe - nožica brane

To ujedno odgovara ovoj podeli/definiciji, u pitanju su nasute brane kod kojih mašinska hala ne može da bude u telu brane pa "branske hidroelektrane" ne bi imalo smisla:
http://www.grad.hr/nastava/hidrotehnika/gf/hidrotehnicke_gra...
Smanjenje rada vode na nekoj dionici u prirodi ostvaruje se:
A) Usporavanjem (građevine u vodotoku) - Usporavanje se ostvaruje izgradnjom brane, te se na taj način smanjuju brzine vode, vučna sila i u konačnici se smanjuje rad vode na kretanju od profila 1 do profila 2 (duž dionice).
B) Derivacijom - odvajanjem dijela vode iz vodotoka i njenim provođenjem izgrađenimprovodnicima. Zahvat se vode ostvaruje na početku dionice (oko profila 1) a povrat vode u vodotok se realizira na nizvodnom kraju dion
ice (profil 2). Provodnici su u pravilu kraći od vodotoka i manjih su otpora kretanju vode, te se na taj način smanjuje rad vode.
C) Kombinacijom usporavanja i derivacije.
Hidroelektrana, kod koje se koristi samo usporavanje nazivaju se PRIBRANSKE HIDROELEKTRANE, a ostale koje se ostvaruju derivacijom ili kombinacijom usporavanja i derivacije nazivaju se DERIVACIJSKE HIDROELEKTRANE

Ukoliko nije u samoj brani već pribranska, mora biti u blizini same (nizvodne) nožice brane:
http://www.slideshare.net/prasadvejendla/basic-terms-of-hydr...
If the power house is located just adjacent to the Dam then it is sometimes called a Dam-toe power house.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/~des0www4/cal/dams/intr/intrf4.htm
Hydroelectric power plants - many dams are constructed to generate hydroelectric power. The powerhouse is located at, or in the vicinity of, the toe of a dam or at some distance downstream. Flow of water into the powerhouse is controlled by valves upstream from the dam, within the dam downstream, or in valve vaults excavated in rock outside of the dam.

https://www.google.rs/search?q=dam toe powerhouse&ie=utf-8&o...

Npr.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam
Excavation for the powerhouse was carried out simultaneously with the excavation for the dam foundation and abutments. A U-shaped structure located at the downstream toe of the dam, its excavation was completed in late 1933 with the first concrete placed in November 1933.

Ovde se vidi "U-shaped structure" - powerhouse:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Hoover-su...
i ovde:
http://lefteyed.aminus3.com/image/2011-11-03.html

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Note added at 6 days (2013-05-10 08:56:55 GMT)
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:-)

Mira Stepanovic
Serbia
Local time: 07:49
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Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat
PRO pts in category: 403
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Svidja mi se ovo rjesenje! Miro, kao i uvijek, pun pogodak! :)

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Reference comments


6 hrs peer agreement (net): -1
Reference: Plant inside dam

Reference information:
Univerzitet u Novom Sadu
Pribranska hidroelektrana je vrsta akumulacijske hidroelektrane kod koje se zgrada za proizvodnju nalazi u samoj pregradnoj brani.
http://www.google.rs/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=...

Glavni delovi akumulacione hidroelektrane su akumulacija, brana, zahvat, gravitacijski dovod, vodna komora, zasunska komora, cevovod, mašinska stanica i odvod vode. Postoje dve tipa akumulacionih hidroelektrana: pribranska i derivacijska. Pribranska se nalazi ispod same brane, a derivacijska je smeštena niže od brane i cevovodima je spojena na akumulacionu. Akumulacione hidroelektrane su najčešći način dobijanja električne energije iz energije vode.
http://djordje-natosevic.znanje.info/index2.php?option=conte...

- HE Kruševo sa HE Zeleni Vir/ Olovo
Lokacija objekta - Olovo, rijeka Bioštica
Tip objekta-HE Kruševo - Akumulaciona, derivaciona
Tip objekta-HE Zeleni Vir - Pribranska
Ukupna instalisana snaga (Pi) - 9,75+2,13 MW
Ukupna godišnja proizvodnja (Eg) - 21,72+8,40GWh
- HE Unac / Unsko-sanski Kanton
Lokacija objekta - Martin Brod, rijeka Unac
Tip objekta - Akumulaciona pribranska
Instalisana snaga (Pi) - 2× 36,8 = 73,6 MW
Ukupna godišnja proizvodnja (Eg) - 259 GWh
http://www.fbihvlada.gov.ba/bosanski/izdvajamo/izgradnja.pdf

- HPP Kruševo & HPP Zeleni Vir/ Olovo
Location - Olovo, Bioštica river
Type of HPP Kruševo - Acumulation, diverion
Type of HPP Zeleni Vir - Plant inside dam
Installed Power (Pi) - 9.75+2.13 MW
Total Electricity Generation per Year (Eg) - 21.72+8.40GWh
- HPP Unac/Martin Brod
Location - Martin Brod, Unac river
Type - Accumulation, plant inside dam
Installed power - Pi 2× 36.8 = 73.6 MW
Total Electricity Generation per Year (Eg) - 259 GWh
http://www.fbihvlada.gov.ba/bosanski/izdvajamo/construction....

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Akumulacijske hidroelektrane
- PRIBRANSKA HIDROELEKTRANA je vrsta akumulacijske hidroelektrane kod koje se zgrada za proizvodnju nalazi u samoj pregradnoj brani.
- DERIVACIJSKAHIDROELEKTRANA je vrsta akumulacijske hidroelektrane kod koje se strojarnica za proizvodnju energije nalazi izmještena na nekoj udaljenosti (nizvodno od brane), a voda se iz akumulacijskog jezera dovodi posebnim cijevima sa zahvata do strojarnice.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/117426947/Hid-Ro-Elektra-Ne

Natasa Stankovic
Serbia
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian
PRO pts in category: 127

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
disagree  Daryo: mašinska zgrada kod pribranske HE se nalazi ispod = u smislu nizvodno od same brane, tj. odmah do, ispred - (crtež na str. 26) / dok je mašinska zgrada kod branske HE unutar same brane (crtež na str. 24)
1 day 12 hrs
  -> Uz dužno poštovanje za vaš trud i analizu hidroelektrana, brana i tome slično (nažalost, laičku), ipak prednost dajem stručnom tumačenju, npr. Ministarstva energetike, rudarstva i industrije BiH, Univerziteta u Novom Sadu itd.
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5 days
Reference: Pribranske hidroelektrane

Reference information:
Izgleda da ovde imamo problem sa definicijom pribranske hidroelektrane, evo podele koju daje Elektrotehnički fakultet, Beograd:
http://ees.etf.bg.ac.rs/predmeti/35/uvod hidroelektrane-2011...
EЛЕКТРАНЕ
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TIPOVI HIDROELEKTRANA
Osnovni kriterijum za podelu je položaj mašinske zgrade (sa turbinama i generatorima) i brane.
• Branske hidroelektrane
• Pribranske hidroelektrane
• Derivacione hidroelektrane
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Branske hidroelektrane grade se na vodenim tokovima gde nije moguće postići velike padove. Branske hidroelektrane grade se za bruto padove HB=(3÷60)m i protoke Q≤12000 m3/s
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Pribranske hidroelektrane
Grade se na tokovima na kojima je moguće postići veće padove, HB=(60÷200) m. Protoci kod pribranskih hidroelektrana su manji nego kod branskih hidroelektrana i obično se kreću u granicama Q≤6000 m3/s.
Brane pribranskih hidroelektrana su relativno visoke i u njih se ne može smestiti mašinska hala.

http://www.usbr.gov/mp/ccao/docs/auburn_rpt/Appendix E/TechM...
US Department of the Interior
Bureau of Reclamation

3.1.1.5 Location of the Powerhouse Inside the Gravity Structure
Construction of the powerhouse inside the dam was considered as a cost-saving measure during the design process in the 1970s. However, the cost of formwork and the additional coordination of activities required to construct the powerhouse inside the dam probably would offset any potential cost savings. Also, the openings required for the powerhouse, the access galleries, and the water conductors are located in the zone of highest stresses in the dam body and would concentrate stresses to potentially unsafe levels. This design decision would likely need to be reconsidered should the design move to the next phase. An independent underground powerhouse and water conductors would probably be the preferred solution.

mašinska zgrada/hala = powerhouse
"plant" (hydroelectric power plant = hidroelektrana) je širi pojam:
http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хидроелектрана
Хидроелектрана у пресеку. А-резервоар, Б-зграда, Ц-турбина, Д-генератор, Е-улаз воде, Ф-цијев за воду, Г-високонапонске линије, Х-река

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http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidroelektrana_Đerdap
Hidroelektrana Đerdap je sistem od jedne branske i jedne rečne-protočne hidroelektrane, "Đerdap I" i "Đerdap II", koje su izgrađene na reci Dunav na izlasku iz Đerdapske klisure, na srpsko-rumunskoj granici, tako da pripada Srbiji i Rumuniji.
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Mašinska hala kod Đerdapa I se nalazi u samoj brani, ko je obišao tu halu (turistička atrakcija) znaće.

Mira Stepanovic
Serbia
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PRO pts in category: 403
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