conformacion geografica y territorial de las fronteras

English translation: the geography and territorial arrangement of its borders

16:34 Mar 30, 2011
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Geography
Spanish term or phrase: conformacion geografica y territorial de las fronteras
(IN A TEXT ON THE HISTORY AND STATE OF CENTRAL AMERICAN MIGRATION FLOWS)

La region centroamericana no ha sido ajena a este permenente flujo de personas el que más bien se ha facilitado por la "conformacion geografica y territorial de las fronteras".

I am torn between translating this as:
"the geographical and territorial MAKEUP of its borders"
or
"the geographical and territorial NATURE of its borders"
or perhaps changing it a bit to
"the geographical and territorial LOCATION of its borders"

Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions so that it sounds as idiomatic as possible? Thanks!
Sara_Translator
United States
Local time: 01:38
English translation:the geography and territorial arrangement of its borders
Explanation:
I can't think of a word that collocates equally well with both adjectives, so suggest using the noun geography instead. The meaning is the same. This gives you more flexibility when it comes to choosing the noun to follow "territorial" (layout, organisation etc etc).

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"territorial arrangement" seems to be widely used:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ESZZ278&q="...
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Simon Bruni
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:38
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1geographical and political conformation of borders
FVS (X)
4 +1the geography and territorial arrangement of its borders
Simon Bruni
5geographical and territorial conformation of the borders
Ricardo Galarza
4geographical and territorial characteristics of the borders
Altogringo
4geographical and political nature of its territorial borders
Jenni Lukac (X)
3geographical and territorial features of the borders
Bubo Coroman (X)


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geographical and territorial features of the borders


Explanation:
also: geographical and territorial composition of the borders

Bubo Coroman (X)
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geographical and territorial characteristics of the borders


Explanation:
Of your three options, I like nature best, in the sense of character. But I think characteristics may be even better. It opens the way to be more specific about different borders but is still general/global in nature.

Altogringo
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geographical and political conformation of borders


Explanation:
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Note added at 27 mins (2011-03-30 17:02:09 GMT)
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Las políticas de ordenamiento territorial necesariamente se relacionan con la estructura político-administrativa de los estados. Es sabido que un estado con una organización territorial ineficiente, afecta la eficacia de los planes de ordenamiento territorial. Por ello, en países como Alemania, antes de entrar a desarrollar sus políticas ordenadoras, se reformó su división territorial para generar espacios de administración y planificación más adecuados a las finalidades del ordenamiento, algo similar ocurrió en Francia con su organización regional (Massiris 1993a). Es en este contexto donde las reformas político-administrativas y territoriales del país adquieren sentido para el ordenamiento territorial. De hecho que una mayor autonomía de las entidades territoriales y una mayor capacidad de gestión como producto de las descentralización administrativa favorece las finalidades del OT, del mismo modo, una organización territorial basada en entidades funcionalmente integradas, espacialmente propincuas, culturalmente cohesionada e históricamente identificadas, constituye un marco óptimo para la actuación ordenadora.

Sin embargo, el proceso de reorganización político-territorial del país, se desenvuelve dentro del marco de intereses políticos que marginan consideraciones planificadoras, especialmente en el marco regional, donde además, se presenta un manejo del concepto región y de regionalización muy confuso. Situación que también es visible entre las distintos centros de investigación regional que buscan aportar caminos y procedimientos para que las decisiones políticas, en materia de reorganización territorial, sean más ajustadas a la realidad del espacio nacional.
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Muriel Vasconcellos: I agree about 'political' and 'conformation' - I can't think of a good substitute for 'conformation'. I would use 'geographic' in a series of adjectives.
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geographical and political nature of its territorial borders


Explanation:
I think that in English the "territorial" is served up as an adjective for borders and "political" (the mechanism for determining and sustaining or changing those borders) is used as the second word in the phrase. Examples: Geography and Community of Territorial Borders, John Williams. ... organization of political authority in terms of the nature of territorial borders (see, ...
www.politicalreviewnet.com/.../R_1521_9488_292_1007918.asp - En caché; Researching borders - capturing social imaginary through 'maps and ...
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de SG Kettler - Artículos relacionados
supra-territorial borders follow the nature of territorial borders, ..... geographic conditions to be discussed? How far are political borders to be ...
www.uni-bielefeld.de/tdrc/ag.../workingpaper_81_Grosse_Kett... While Congolese young people in the study recognised the socially constructed nature of social, political and geographic borders, the latter have real ...
yorku.academia.edu/.../Borders-of-Everyday-Life--Congolese-Young-People’s-Political-Identification-in-Refugee-Conte... - En caché - Similares; 5 Aug 2003 ... Challenging Borders in Political Geography and International ... The nature of territorial borders as social and political constructs, ...
www.informaworld.com/index/714001033.pdf

Jenni Lukac (X)
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the geography and territorial arrangement of its borders


Explanation:
I can't think of a word that collocates equally well with both adjectives, so suggest using the noun geography instead. The meaning is the same. This gives you more flexibility when it comes to choosing the noun to follow "territorial" (layout, organisation etc etc).

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-30 17:54:58 GMT)
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"territorial arrangement" seems to be widely used:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ESZZ278&q="...

Simon Bruni
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:38
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agree  liz askew
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
geographical and territorial conformation of the borders


Explanation:
I don't see why not using "conformation." The noun is very much used with both adjectives: geographical and territorial.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=es&q=geographical conf...

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=es&q="territorial conf...

Regards.

Ricardo Galarza
Uruguay
Local time: 03:38
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
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