(trabajar en) jornada abierta

09:51 Aug 29, 2019 

The expression "jornada abierta" in this context is puzzling because in Spanish it means "open day". Could it be that the text was not originally written in Spanish, and so this is a calque of the original expression? In any case the meaning of the sentence is clear - must be available to work rotating shifts.

23:39 Aug 28, 2019 

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Javier Carcelén García - 2000 - ‎Hours of labor
... b) sistema de turnos abiertos o rotatorios, en el que los trabajadores pasan periódicamente de un turno u horario a otro; y c) sistema de turno mixto en el que ..

20:21 Aug 28, 2019 

Yes, it is certainly possible what you say. However, the usual expression in Spain for what you describe is "horario ininterrumpido". I don´t know, really, the expression "jornada abierta" is puzzling here. Let´s wait and see if Neil gets some clarification from his client.

20:18 Aug 28, 2019 

I think 'jornada abierta' is just another way of saying that the business doesn't shut shop at the end of the day; i.e. it operates 24/7.

20:12 Aug 28, 2019 

Maybe there is a lexical misunderstanding here. In my opinion, "jornada abierta" is something different to "jornada laboral por turnos" (= shift work). In my view "jornada abierta" is synonymous with "horario flexible". I have already posted a link that shows the equivalence. But the fact is here that Neil´s post reads as follows: "turnos alternos de mañana, tarde, noche y fines de semana", so the word "shift" is clearly mentioned, which contradicts my personal understanding of "jornada abierta/horario flexible".
Neil, perhaps you should contact your client to ask for clarification.
Here the usual options in Spain:
https://getquipu.com/blog/como-fijar-el-mejor-horario-para-m...

19:50 Aug 28, 2019 

If I have now made myself clearer, I was also saying that I think that the pattern of shifts you are describing may correspond to the rotating shift pattern/schedules described in my other links. So I would say something like "employees have to be available to work rotating shift patterns..." or "This post presupposes/requires the availability to work rotating shift patterns..." or something similar depending on how the rest of the job advert is structured (I haven't phrased it that well as I haven't got the rest of the context and am purely trying to explain my thought process).

19:41 Aug 28, 2019 

Are we not saying the same thing? Perhaps I expressed myself badly? When I worked in the NHS requests for flexible working usually came from the employee and could be granted or not by the employer as per the links I gave on flexitime/flexible working. But they originated with a request from the employee which, as you say, potentially favours the employee. It is a known HR term. I understand your context to be about the employer expecting the employees to be open to working different shift patterns and that this is a requirement of the job. So though any potential employees need to have a 'flexible approach', the shift pattern is not 'flexible working'/flexitime. Is that clearer? I therefore think it is safer not to use the word flexible so as to avoid confusion with the "employee-favouring" flexible working.

19:26 Aug 28, 2019 

I just hope that the person who gets the job has flexible parents/in-laws who can adapt their working hours to be able to look after the children when mum and dad are at work! I'm talking from experience.

19:24 Aug 28, 2019 

The definition of "flexible working" you posted seems rather strict, and favours the employee rather than the employer. I think the idea here is that shift working will be required, and the "flexibility", although it sounds nice and positive, really means that the worker will have to like it or lump it.

19:14 Aug 28, 2019 

Great minds, and all that ;-)

19:11 Aug 28, 2019 

Our posts crossed! Sounds like we're thinking along similar lines with regard to it being a requirement...

19:03 Aug 28, 2019 

Here's another link that refers to a rotating shift pattern
https://www.snapschedule.com/blog/rotating-8-shift-pattern/

This one does speak of employee preference with regard to shifts worked, but it is preference rather than choice
https://www.shift-schedule-design.com/Fixed_Shifts

This link makes it clear that an employer doesn't have to agree to flexible working
http://www.safeworkers.co.uk/if-your-employer-changes-your-w...

18:52 Aug 28, 2019 

I've just seen an ad on the Internet and the phrase is included under 'Requisitos'. If the employee had the possibilty to work flexible hours, I think it would be under 'Se ofrece'. My son-in-law enjoys his job but doesn't like working shifts.

18:52 Aug 28, 2019 

I understand that the employer is choosing the hours worked not the employee. So I don't think that flexitime / flexible working is correct. Flexitime/flexible working is to give employees choice over their hours.
https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flextime

I would be inclined to go with Helen's available rather than flexible to avoid confusion with flexible working, but if you decide to use 'flexible' rather than 'available' I think it is important to stress that it is a requirement for the employees to be flexible/have the flexibility to work different shifts.

This link may be useful to you as it speaks of a rotating shift schedule. I would be inclined to say something like employees must be available to work a rotating shift pattern... but am not 100% sure as I don't know if this is the specific term for jornada abierta.
https://www.bmscentral.com/learn-employee-scheduling/categor...