mama marmórea

English translation: mottling of the breast

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Spanish term or phrase:mama marmórea
English translation:mottling of the breast
Entered by: liz askew

11:17 Apr 29, 2020
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Medical - Medical (general) / Ocoplastic breast surgery
Spanish term or phrase: mama marmórea
En este grupo de incluyeron las deformidades del contorno por retracción local, las deformidades animadas y las necrosis grasas que generaron distorsiones de la forma y contorno de la mama.
Finalmente, la secuela tipo III incluyó a aquellas mujeres cuya mama presentó una deformidad o fibrosis dolorosa que sólo pudo ser solucionada mediante una mastectomía.
En este grupo se incluyeron las radiodermitis con inflamación crónica y esclerosis cutánea (mama marmórea) y las necrosis grasas extensas que precisaron una mastectomía tras irradiación de la mama.

I am not sure about "marble-like ". "marbled" and "marble-like" have few convincing results. Thoughts?

TIA,
Juliette
ServingMed.com
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Local time: 13:37
mottling of the breast
Explanation:

Pediatría - CMP Centro Médico Pintado, especialista en ...
www.clinicapintado.com › cuidados_...

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PIEL MARMÓREA O CUTIS MARMORATA: Cambios de color pasajeros que ... de 10 años que Judy Perkins fue diagnosticada de cáncer de mama por primera ...


Cutis Marmorata - FPnotebook
fpnotebook.com › derm › Peds › CtsMrmrt

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V. Signs. Skin mottling symmetrically involving the trunk and extremities ... Spanish, Cutis marmorata, piel marmórea (trastorno), piel marmórea. Japanese ...


(PDF) Cutis Marmorata Telangiectatica Congenita
www.researchgate.net › publication › 13364993_Cutis_M...

Most patients showed a definite improvement of their mottled vascular skin ... La piel marmórea telangiectásica congénita (cutis marmorata telangiectatica ...
by E Ryder - ‎Related articles
Cutis marmorata telangiectatica congenita is present at birth. It is characterised by fixed patches of mottled skin with a net-like or reticulate blue to pale purple patches (livedo reticularis). Unlike physiological cutis marmorata, the marks do not fade with warming.



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Avery. Enfermedades del recién nacidobooks.google.co.uk › books- Translate this page
Christine A. Gleason, ‎Sandra E Juul - 2018 - ‎Medical
Piel. marmórea. Cuadro. clínico. La piel marmórea es habitual, especialmente en prematuros. Se presenta como un patrón reticular de blanqueamiento ...

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What Your Baby's Skin Is Telling You - Intermountain Healthcareintermountainhealthcare.org › ... › 2016 › 02
17 Feb 2016 - Mottling: A new baby's skin can also look blotchy or mottled. This is especially noticeable if the baby is uncovered or cold. Mottling can also ...

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the fancy name is

livedo reticularis


PRIME PubMed | Generalized livedo reticularis as the first ...www.unboundmedicine.com › medline › citation › Gen...
Generalized livedo reticularis as the first sign of metastatic breast carcinoma. Clin Exp Dermatol. 2009 Mar; 34(2):253-4.CE ...

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Jane W Ball, RN Drph Cpnp, ‎Joyce E Dains, ‎John A Flynn - 2019
... esclerosis tuberosa • Pecas en las regiones axilar o inguinal: múltiples máculas ... suele ser una anomalía cutánea aislada que puede indicar un defecto en el cierre ... presentan un área de superficie FIgUrA 9-25 Moteado (piel marmórea).

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What is Mottled Skin? Mottling is blotchy, red-purplish marbling of the skin. Mottling most frequently occurs first on the feet, then travels up the legs. Mottling of skin before death is common and usually occurs during the final week of life, although in some cases it can occur earlier.

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Essential Surgery E-Book: Problems, Diagnosis and ...books.google.co.uk › books
Clive R. G. Quick, ‎Suzanne Biers, ‎Tan Arulampalam - 2019 - ‎Medical
... rheumatoid disease Systemic sclerosis/scleroderma; other connective tissue ... becomes mottled (marbling) because of stagnation of deoxygenated blood.

so

mottling

or

marbling

it is to do with the appearance of the skin


not

texture
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liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:37
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Summary of answers provided
5hardened breast (tissue)
José Huarancca
4 +1mottling of the breast
liz askew
3marble-like breast
Virginia Foradini
3footnote ("marble-like breast")
Chema Nieto Castañón


  

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hardened breast (tissue)


Explanation:
"Marmórea" se refiere en este caso a la dureza de la mama producida por la esclerosis cutánea.

https://breastcancernow.org/information-support/have-i-got-b...

José Huarancca
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
marble-like breast


Explanation:
I would use "marble-like breast" because it describes well the condition of the breast. Hope it helps.

Virginia Foradini
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
mottling of the breast


Explanation:

Pediatría - CMP Centro Médico Pintado, especialista en ...
www.clinicapintado.com › cuidados_...

1.
Translate this page
PIEL MARMÓREA O CUTIS MARMORATA: Cambios de color pasajeros que ... de 10 años que Judy Perkins fue diagnosticada de cáncer de mama por primera ...


Cutis Marmorata - FPnotebook
fpnotebook.com › derm › Peds › CtsMrmrt

1.
V. Signs. Skin mottling symmetrically involving the trunk and extremities ... Spanish, Cutis marmorata, piel marmórea (trastorno), piel marmórea. Japanese ...


(PDF) Cutis Marmorata Telangiectatica Congenita
www.researchgate.net › publication › 13364993_Cutis_M...

Most patients showed a definite improvement of their mottled vascular skin ... La piel marmórea telangiectásica congénita (cutis marmorata telangiectatica ...
by E Ryder - ‎Related articles
Cutis marmorata telangiectatica congenita is present at birth. It is characterised by fixed patches of mottled skin with a net-like or reticulate blue to pale purple patches (livedo reticularis). Unlike physiological cutis marmorata, the marks do not fade with warming.



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Web results

Avery. Enfermedades del recién nacidobooks.google.co.uk › books- Translate this page
Christine A. Gleason, ‎Sandra E Juul - 2018 - ‎Medical
Piel. marmórea. Cuadro. clínico. La piel marmórea es habitual, especialmente en prematuros. Se presenta como un patrón reticular de blanqueamiento ...

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What Your Baby's Skin Is Telling You - Intermountain Healthcareintermountainhealthcare.org › ... › 2016 › 02
17 Feb 2016 - Mottling: A new baby's skin can also look blotchy or mottled. This is especially noticeable if the baby is uncovered or cold. Mottling can also ...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-04-29 13:35:50 GMT)
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the fancy name is

livedo reticularis


PRIME PubMed | Generalized livedo reticularis as the first ...www.unboundmedicine.com › medline › citation › Gen...
Generalized livedo reticularis as the first sign of metastatic breast carcinoma. Clin Exp Dermatol. 2009 Mar; 34(2):253-4.CE ...

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Jane W Ball, RN Drph Cpnp, ‎Joyce E Dains, ‎John A Flynn - 2019
... esclerosis tuberosa • Pecas en las regiones axilar o inguinal: múltiples máculas ... suele ser una anomalía cutánea aislada que puede indicar un defecto en el cierre ... presentan un área de superficie FIgUrA 9-25 Moteado (piel marmórea).

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Note added at 5 hrs (2020-04-29 16:29:08 GMT)
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What is Mottled Skin? Mottling is blotchy, red-purplish marbling of the skin. Mottling most frequently occurs first on the feet, then travels up the legs. Mottling of skin before death is common and usually occurs during the final week of life, although in some cases it can occur earlier.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2020-04-29 16:31:55 GMT)
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Search Results
Web results

Essential Surgery E-Book: Problems, Diagnosis and ...books.google.co.uk › books
Clive R. G. Quick, ‎Suzanne Biers, ‎Tan Arulampalam - 2019 - ‎Medical
... rheumatoid disease Systemic sclerosis/scleroderma; other connective tissue ... becomes mottled (marbling) because of stagnation of deoxygenated blood.

so

mottling

or

marbling

it is to do with the appearance of the skin


not

texture

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4558
Grading comment
¡Gracias!

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agree  neilmac: I'm convinced...
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footnote ("marble-like breast")


Explanation:
Breast retraction and shrinkage characterize type III deformity of the breast which usually predetermine a heavily indurated and painful breast -with a seeming typical skin color alteration pattern. Marmórea -a rather unusual description anyway- seems to refer to those characteristics of intense induration and patchy, marble-like color alteration pattern of the affected breast.

I am guessing though from the very few examples where I could find "mama marmórea" (i.e. https://books.google.es/books?id=6Rl9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA... ).

As for translation, I haven't found any equivalent expression on English literature. You could include a literal translation between quotation marks -as the description marble-like breast is quite graphic- but you could as well obviate the Spanish "surname" of that type III defect/deformity in your translation or decide to add a footnote, including the marble-like Spanish description of the breast [i.e. "The original Spanish text describes this as a "marble-like breast"], which is probably the more elegant solution.

I guess this is how I would order my own preferences so as to how to solve this one (in lack of a specific naming in English, which I haven't been able to find);
1. Footnote
2. Obviate
3. Literal translation

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I have just seen Jose's previous answer and I confess my initial reading was precisely his; marmórea must just be a synonym of pétrea in this case. And yet, the Spanish references to "mama marmórea" are scarce and here they do explicitly dofferentiate pétrea from marmórea;

La evolución final es hacia una mama pétrea y marmórea cuya única solución...
https://books.google.es/books?id=6Rl9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA...


Now, one might feel tempted to interpret marmórea as referring to color then. Well, maybe not to a benign or clinically irrelevant process but just to a descriptive approximation to a skin color alteration present in these cases. In the case of the OP one might think of morphea, and yet this would not translate marmórea, I believe.

Well, do notice that both the original text and my previous link refer to mama marmórea along with general defects or conditions that point both to an indurated breast and a local skin color alteration;

* Defecto de tipo III (mama marmórea) ...
* radiodermitis con inflamación crónica y esclerosis cutánea (mama marmórea)

And so, taking all this into account, I would not translate marmórea neither as indurated (hardened) nor as a livedo or the like.

Well, just thinking aloud after reading the previous answers of liz and José.

Saludos.

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Just in case I might be confusing things up, what I mean is that marmórea most probably conveys both a hardened ("marble-like") consistency and a reddish patchy skin color ("marble-like") alteration of the breast. And so a translation that conveys just one of these two aspects would be not misleading but limited.

As for translation, as said, either a footnote commenting on the original text description, obviating the Spanish additional naming -as long as there is not an equivalent English denomination-, or even a literal rendering ("marble-like" breast), any of these three options would be acceptable for me so far.

Chema Nieto Castañón
Spain
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  liz askew: This is confusing "marble-like" as this does not refer to texture but rather appearance. Mottling or Marbling is correct.
2 hrs
  -> Yes, mottling/marbling refer to appearance. Mi planteamiento es que "marmórea" refers both to an indurated breast (hard, stone-like to palpation) and to marbling. Thus marble-like, as both marble-like consistency and marble-like patchy skin color.
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