Apr 13, 2008 10:18
16 yrs ago
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German term

Dil. D

German to English Medical Medical: Pharmaceuticals
A friend of mine would like to know what this abbreviation means. It's actually in a Romanian patient information leaflet, but I believe it may come from German (or Latin) since the company that makes the drug is German and I've found examples of it on German-language websites (Dil. D followed by various numbers), such as here:

Zusammensetzung:
100g enthalten: Teilindikation:
Agnus castus Dil. D 2 : Lymphangitis und Lymphadenitis, Hyperfollikulinie, Hypogalaktie.
Belladonna Dil. D 4 : Funktionsstörungen exkretorischer Drüsen.
Glonoinum Dil. D 5 : Gefäßkrämpfe.
Phosphorus Dil. D 6 : Hyperergische Reaktionslage.
http://www.mycare.de/home_4323579_AGNUS+CASTUS+N+OLIGOPLEX__...

Could anyone tell me what this means? I've found out that "dil." can stand for "dilute" and "D" for "dose" in English, but I can't find examples of "Dil. D" on English patient information leaflets and I'd like to know what the English equivalent would be.

Thanks for any help.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 D / X / C [this one requires the number to be divided by two]
4 +1 D

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D / X / C [this one requires the number to be divided by two]

This is about homeopathic medicine. They have a process called "potentizing", during which the "mother tincture" (the actual medicinal substance in alcohol) is diluted with water and then stirred or shaken so as to create vortices which are supposed to attract cosmic forces inside, increasing the curative effect of the mixture while from a mainstream scientific point of view there's hardly anything left but water to have an effect.
Anyway, here's What wikipedia says:
"[Founder of homeopathy] Hahnemann created the centesimal or "C scale", diluting a substance by a factor of 100 at each stage. [...] Some homeopaths developed a decimal scale (D or X), diluting the substance to ten times its original volume each stage. The D or X scale dilution is therefore half that of the same value of the C scale; for example, "12X" is the same level of dilution as "6C". Hahnemann never used this scale but it was very popular throughout the 19th century and still is in Europe."
And de.wikipedia:
"Neben der bekanntesten D-Potenzierungsreihe (1:10) gibt es noch die C-Reihe (1:100) und die LM- oder Q-Reihe (1:50000)."

I haven't got into touch with homeopathy terribly often so others may judge better than I can, but as far as I can tell the "C" scale is the established one in the English speaking world (at least in India). So you might want to do the maths and use this scale instead of just providing the translation.


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Note added at 33 mins (2008-04-13 10:52:09 GMT)
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See especially the table in the paragraph "Potenzierung" in the German article.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-13 11:28:56 GMT)
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You're welcome and you're right. Dil D 3 is 1:1000 dilution, i. e. the initial concentration divided by 10 to the power of 3 (10*10*10=1000). To express this on the Centesimal scale, you have to figure out which power of 100 equals 1000, i. e. the logarithm to the base 100 of 1000 which is indeed 1.5 (excel told me so).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-04-13 12:25:11 GMT)
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Actually, the idea of converting the scales mathematically may be somewhat unappropriate to the process described by scale and number. Practitioners of homeopathy may see a difference between potentizing a tincture once with a hundred times its volume of water or potentizing it twice with only a tenfold dilution at each step.
The .5 on the C scale at least seems a bit strange: I suspect they either stick with tenfold dilutions or hundredfold ones, but n.5C would mean a sequence of both or a different ratio altogether (in our case 10 followed by 100 or 100 followed by 10 or 1000 right away, which would be the "millenial" M scale).

"Homeopathic dilutions are either made on the C scale, where 99 parts of water are added to one part of the medicine for each dilution, or the X scale, where 9 parts of water are added to one part of medicine for each dilution"
http://homeopathy.inbaltimore.org/faq.html

"Depending on your condition, a doctor may prescribe a dilution of X (decimal), C (centesimal), or M (millennial). M is the strongest and an extension of the C scale"
http://hmedicine.com/homeopathy/information/faq.php

So at the end of the day, "X" seems to be the answer ("D" from Latin "decem"="ten", I suppose, and "X" is the Roman numeral for ten, with "X" appearing to be more widespread).
If indeed the "Dil D" scale is applied to a substance that has been potentized the decimal way. The fact that most instances of "Dil D" are even numbers makes me wonder whether they actually potentized using the centesimal scale and then just converted mathematically.
Note from asker:
Thanks very much for your answer! Interestingly, while I was still searching I did find examples of "C" being used on English websites - e.g. "6C potency" ( http://www.naturalhealthanswers.co.uk/womens.php ). So if I had "Lilium tigrinum Dil. D 3", for example, would that equate to 1.5C? I'm afraid I'm not much good with maths! :D
Peer comment(s):

agree mary austria : My first impression, too, was homeopathy, although I haven't got the vaguest idea about converting from one scale to another.
3 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks to you both for your help!"
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8 hrs

D

In homeopathic prescribing, D stands for decimal. That means that the original remedy or substance is diluted 1:10. The number indicates how many times the remedy is diluted and the letter indicates the degree of dilution. D=10, C=100, M=1000 and LM=50000. For example a D6 potency is diluted 1:10, six times (106) and potentised by succussion (i.e. stirring, shaking and hitting) at each step in the dilution process. A C12 potency means that the remedy is diluted 1:100, 12 times. A LM6 potency means that the remedy is serially diluted 6 times at 1:50000 each time.
http://www.sanare.no/naturmedisin/boka/boka/Web-version-part...


The "Dil" in German stands for "Dilution" and is not generally used in English before or after the 'D'.
Google for "Belladonna D4" (used in your source text), for example, and look at the hits in English.

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Note added at 2 days22 hrs (2008-04-16 08:31:12 GMT)
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Equivalent values “C” & “X” remedy

“X” and “C" potencies - their equivalent values. Example 6X potency is approximately equivalent to 3C potency. They are not exactly the same, because they have been succussed a different number of times, but they have the same amount of dilution. The approximate equivalent of a 6C potency would be 12X. So if you have an “X” potency and want to know its approximate equivalent value in “C” potency, divide by 2. If you have a “C" potency and would like to know its approximate value in the “X” potency then, multiply it by 2.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art51017.asp
Peer comment(s):

agree Anne Schulz
12 hrs
Thank you for confirming, Anne
neutral Joachim Sieg (X) : Quite right for India, but in the UK the "X" symbol appears to be used: see paragraph "how are the remedies made?" in http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeo...
2 days 10 hrs
Thanks, Joachim. It's either a 'D' before the numeral or an 'X' after the numeral.
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