Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Bildgedicht
English translation:
visual poem
Added to glossary by
Stephen Old
Jan 15, 2019 17:08
5 yrs ago
German term
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Bildgedicht
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Poetry
Another term from my text on poetry in and after the Imagist period. Does this simply mean an imagist poem or just a poem relying on imagery for its effect?
The full context is: Als eine "spätere Formel" des "objective correlative" bezeichnet Armin Paul Frank den Leitsatz "no ideas but in things" von William Carlos Williams,1) der den Imagisten anfangs lose zugehörte, sich später jedoch der "objectivist poetry" zuwandte, da er ihre "Image"-Gestaltung, die das Bild strukturell nicht zum selbständigen Bildgedicht werden läßt, für unzureichend hielt.
The full context is: Als eine "spätere Formel" des "objective correlative" bezeichnet Armin Paul Frank den Leitsatz "no ideas but in things" von William Carlos Williams,1) der den Imagisten anfangs lose zugehörte, sich später jedoch der "objectivist poetry" zuwandte, da er ihre "Image"-Gestaltung, die das Bild strukturell nicht zum selbständigen Bildgedicht werden läßt, für unzureichend hielt.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | visual poem |
Helen Shiner
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| 4 | image poem |
philgoddard
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| 5 -1 | picture poem |
Cillie Swart
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| 4 | pattern poem |
Michael Martin, MA
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References
| Imagist poem |
Helen Shiner
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Proposed translations
19 mins
Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
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139
Selected
visual poem
See my reference post.
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Comment: "Thanks for your help again, Helen. I think this broad, general term fits the context of my translation "
17 mins
philgoddard
United States
United States
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United States
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8
image poem
A literal translation works fine. "Imagist" would be wrong in my opinion, since it implies that the poet subscribes to a particular set of tenets. I could write an image poem, but that doesn't make me an imagist.
"An image poem is a poetic form that uses descriptions of visual images to demonstrate a subject or emotion."
http://penandthepad.com/write-image-poem-5032777.html
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I also agree with Helen's suggestions of "picture poem" and "visual poem".
"An image poem is a poetic form that uses descriptions of visual images to demonstrate a subject or emotion."
http://penandthepad.com/write-image-poem-5032777.html
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I also agree with Helen's suggestions of "picture poem" and "visual poem".
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16 hrs
Cillie Swart
South Africa
South Africa
Native in English
South Africa
Finance, Legal, Business Texts
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Dutch to English, Afrikaans to English, and 1 more.
picture poem
the aliteration is important to maintain
Reference:
2 days 11 mins
Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Works in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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43
Reference comments
15 mins
Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
:
139
Reference:
Imagist poem
"An Imagist poem is not just a picture poem." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PpGBuOOQyPgC&pg=PA374&dq...
This discussion may help you.
The term 'visual poem' has several applications: it can mean examples like Apollinaire's Caligrammes, in which an image is created by means of typography, or, more simply, one that evokes an image in the reader's mind, and anything in between. I would suggest you consider that.
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A visual poem may be defined simply as a poem composed or designed to be
consciously seen. The modern visual poem is generally composed with
disassembled language material. This stuff of language includes word, text,
note, code, petroglyph, letter, phonic character, type, cipher, symbol,
pictograph, sentence, number, hieroglyph, rhythm, iconograph, grammar,
cluster, stroke, ideogram, density, pattern, diagram, logogram, accent, line,
color, measure, etc. Today’s minimalist visual poet, or the post World War Two
term, concrete poet, generally composes with fissioned language material to
create new and free particles, and/or sonic patterns, clusters, densities,
and/or textures. The visual poet composes with these freed particles and
generally weds or fuses them to one or more art forms. By doing so, by crossing
art form boundaries, the visual poet composes in a field of multimedia or
borderblur or intermedia. http://www.logolalia.com/minimalistconcretepoetry/archives/k...
This discussion may help you.
The term 'visual poem' has several applications: it can mean examples like Apollinaire's Caligrammes, in which an image is created by means of typography, or, more simply, one that evokes an image in the reader's mind, and anything in between. I would suggest you consider that.
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Note added at 18 mins (2019-01-15 17:27:07 GMT)
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A visual poem may be defined simply as a poem composed or designed to be
consciously seen. The modern visual poem is generally composed with
disassembled language material. This stuff of language includes word, text,
note, code, petroglyph, letter, phonic character, type, cipher, symbol,
pictograph, sentence, number, hieroglyph, rhythm, iconograph, grammar,
cluster, stroke, ideogram, density, pattern, diagram, logogram, accent, line,
color, measure, etc. Today’s minimalist visual poet, or the post World War Two
term, concrete poet, generally composes with fissioned language material to
create new and free particles, and/or sonic patterns, clusters, densities,
and/or textures. The visual poet composes with these freed particles and
generally weds or fuses them to one or more art forms. By doing so, by crossing
art form boundaries, the visual poet composes in a field of multimedia or
borderblur or intermedia. http://www.logolalia.com/minimalistconcretepoetry/archives/k...
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