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Jan Willem van Dormolen (X) 
Netherlands
Local time: 14:23
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| Visa incorrecta | May 4, 2010 |
[quote]Giles Watson wrote:
According to the OED, "visa", the Latin feminine past participle of "videre", replaced the French participle "visé" fairly recently (the OED gives a 1904 example of "visé" from The Times).
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Wot??
[gets out etymological dictionary]
You're right! 'Visum' was constructed AFTER 'visa', and is a misinterpretation by people who wrongly assumed 'visa' is a plural. I'll be darned...
| | | | Russell Jones
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:23
Italian to English
Fiona Peterson wrote: LoL Giovanni and Gianni!!! Italians are always amazed when I tell them that "footing" (which they presume to mean "jogging") is not an English word... 
Mobbing too, which apparently means sexual harassment in Italy.
And for Susanna, "suggestive" is another instance; it means spinto, indecente, (rather lake Giovanni and Gianni's shop signs)!
| | | | Susanna Garcia
Local time: 13:23
Italian to English
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TOPIC STARTER In memoriam
[quote]Russell Jones wrote:
Fiona Peterson wrote:
And for Susanna, "suggestive" is another instance; it means spinto, indecente, (rather lake Giovanni and Gianni's shop signs)!
Indecent? I thought they were just pointing out that, in the first photo, Italian is also used in New Zealand and, in the second, poor spelling.
| | | | Paul Dixon
Brazil
Local time: 09:23
Portuguese to English
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| In Portuguese | May 4, 2010 |
In Portuguese they have got around the visum/visa/visas controversy by using the word "visto" - although this can also mean an initialling of a document (dar visto) which could, in theory, be ambiguous or even controversial.
The plural forms "cherubim" and "seraphim" are used (with spelling and pronunciation adaptations) as singular in Portuguese: um querubim, dois querubins; um serafim, dois serafins. Interestingly, "querubim" starts with a "k" sound, not "tch" like in English. In ... See more In Portuguese they have got around the visum/visa/visas controversy by using the word "visto" - although this can also mean an initialling of a document (dar visto) which could, in theory, be ambiguous or even controversial.
The plural forms "cherubim" and "seraphim" are used (with spelling and pronunciation adaptations) as singular in Portuguese: um querubim, dois querubins; um serafim, dois serafins. Interestingly, "querubim" starts with a "k" sound, not "tch" like in English. In contrast, the word "kibbutz" is used normally in Portuguese, without any change of spelling. The plural, TTBOMK, is invariable in Portuguese, so "Há vários kibbutz na cidade" (There are several kibbutzim in the city)
Regarding "hamburger", the reason they insert an extra U is to keep the same pronunciation, with a hard "g" sound.
And, any idea what an X-Burguer is?
It's a cheeseburger! The explanation is that the name of the letter X in Portuguese (sheess) sounds like "cheese". So, although "cheeseburguer" is also used (pronounced in the Brazilian way - /sheesboorger/ with "oo" as in "Google") you are quite likely to find X-Burguer (especially on signs of street vendors). We even have X-Egg (which is an X-Burguer plus an egg) and others up to the X-Tudo (cheeseburger with everything!)
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Erik Freitag
Germany
Local time: 14:23
Member (2006)
Dutch to German
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| Where's my hat of shame? | May 4, 2010 |
Giles Watson wrote:
Don't worry, Jenny. It isn't.
According to the OED, "visa", the Latin feminine past participle of "videre", replaced the French participle "visé" fairly recently (the OED gives a 1904 example of "visé" from The Times).
Wow, I didn't know that, thanks for the enlightenment, Giles. That's the result of the overconfidence of someone without any formal training in or actual knowledge of Latin (me, obviously).
Now where's my hat of shame?
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| | | | maria pelufo
Uruguay
Local time: 08:23
English to Spanish
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| 1 Biscotti with my expresso....(back to the panini!) | May 24, 2010 |
David Wright wrote: Of course it's "two paninis," and of course it's "the spaghetti is..." etc. The grocer is speaking ENGLISH, the language spoken in ENGLAND (and other places of minor interest )) and not ITALIAN, which is spoken in ITALY. Please remember this on your travels. Asking for things in ITALIAN in an ENGLISH grocer's shop is not likely to achieve the desired communicative objective, and will earn you - deservedly or not - a few choice epithets in very native-like ENGLISH. [Edited at 2010-05-04 10:55 GMT]
I am absolutely willing to agree if we are talking about an English place, store, or Pub, or whatever. I am fine with that.
It drives me up the wall, however, when the described phenomenon occurs in a restaurant (or rather "Ristorante") called "Da Giuseppe" that is fully decorated with gondolas, and where they are probably going to charge you extra for the lovely Italian atmosphere. They paid a fortune for a decorator to create the genuine "Toscana" or "Venezian" atmosphere, and they could not spend a tiny bit on some terminology advice to have a correct menu?
If they want to be an Italian shop, you bet that I want single Panini to be called "Panino", and same for "Tramezzini", and with that I would have an espresso (macchiato?), please. Preferably with the correct spelling, and just *one* biscotto to go with it!
Otherwise I refuse to pay $6 for a Latte (that has an accent on the e!). 
Maria
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This whole discussion reminds me of an old joke about a linguist ordering a martinus in a bar.
"What?" Asks the waitress.
"A martinus please. Mar-ti-nus." Replies the linguist.
"Ooh, you mean martini, don't you?"
"Well all right, make it two then."
| | | | Lars Finsen
Local time: 14:23
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| Your footing... | Jun 2, 2010 |
Fiona Peterson wrote: LoL Giovanni and Gianni!!! Italians are always amazed when I tell them that "footing" (which they presume to mean "jogging") is not an English word...
You've never lost it?
 LEF
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Lars Finsen
Local time: 14:23
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Nesrin wrote:
Another one is "already", which is used by one and all regardless of whether or not they speak English. The problem is that in Arabic there is no word meaning exclusively "already", but there is a word (fe'lan or belfe'l) that means "really, actually, already". So people, having been told that "already" means "fe'lan" are constantly using it in the sense of "really".
Even natives seem to use it in a similar fashion sometimes, I think, in exclamations like "That's enough already!" or similar. Could you natives inform me if this is a new trend or something archaic popping up? I think I have heard it mostly in historic films.
LEF
| | | | Oliver Walter
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:23
German to English
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| Other wrong plurals | Jun 2, 2010 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
Panini may be plural, but an English brain must associate the -s with plural, for the most part.
... which is why we hear and see lots of misuse of words and un-words like
criterion, criteria, criterias; many people think there can be a criteria and therefore several of them are criterias;
similar for phenomenon and phenomena
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Here's a few more common mistakes I've found since I moved here in the US:
Linguini and fetucini (written also: fettacini, fettucini) and salami (same form for 1 salami or 2 salami (sometime even "2 salamis")
Capicola (or cappacuolo) and prosciutini (when you order an Italian sub at Jersey Mike's) [ see it here: http://www.jerseymikes.com/menu.asp]
Bruschetta (... See more Here's a few more common mistakes I've found since I moved here in the US:
Linguini and fetucini (written also: fettacini, fettucini) and salami (same form for 1 salami or 2 salami (sometime even "2 salamis")
Capicola (or cappacuolo) and prosciutini (when you order an Italian sub at Jersey Mike's) [ see it here: http://www.jerseymikes.com/menu.asp]
Bruschetta (pronunced as "brushetta")
The Pizza brand "Freschetta" pronunced as "freshetta"
Zucchini used in the singular and plural form
Latté (sometimes I've seen this accented version too)
Expresso
Gnocchi (I've heard it pronunced as g-nocci)
Bocci (instead of bocce)
Pinot Grigio (where the "g" in "grigio" is pronunced like the French "je")
Parmegiano Regiano (where the "g" in Parmegiano (which should be Parmigiano) and in "Regiano" (which should be Reggiano) is pronunced like the above mentioned "g" in Grigio).
There's a spa where I live called "Bella Solé" (probably they put the accent on the final "e" otherwise people would have pronunced it "sol", like the underpart of a shoe)
Versace is commonly pronunced "VersaCCEE", and so the tenor Liberace (pronunced "LiberaCCEE")...
And now the best one: I was talking to an American friend about Silvester Stallone and what a lousy actor I think he is. I pronunced "Stallone" in the Italian way [ pron: Stah-llo-neh], because Stallone IS an Italian name (Stallone's grandpa was born in Apulia, Italy).
My friend corrected me saying "it's not Stall-ooo-neh, it's Stallon" [meaning that the final "e" was silent].
I retorted: "no my friend, Stallone is an Italian name, therefore you pronunce it like it should be. It's StallonE, period".
And Provolone cheese is pronunced like the Americanized "Stallone" [provolon] ▲ Collapse
| | | | Linda Kelly
Spain
Local time: 13:23
Spanish to English
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| It can work the other way too... | Jun 2, 2010 |
The sports chain Foot Locker is pronounced Foot Looker in Spain. I told some Spanish friends that now they know the correct version they can impress their friends with their knowledge of English. They said they didn't want to look like idiots.
With regard to:
Even natives seem to use it in a similar fashion sometimes, I think, in exclamations like "That's enough already!" or similar. Could you natives inform me if this is a new trend or something archaic popping up? I t... See more The sports chain Foot Locker is pronounced Foot Looker in Spain. I told some Spanish friends that now they know the correct version they can impress their friends with their knowledge of English. They said they didn't want to look like idiots.
With regard to:
Even natives seem to use it in a similar fashion sometimes, I think, in exclamations like "That's enough already!" or similar. Could you natives inform me if this is a new trend or something archaic popping up? I think I have heard it mostly in historic films.
This is used in US English - I hear it in a lot of US TV shows and films, such as "Get out of the bathroom already!" I've never heard it used it in Britain, but then again I'm not exactly 'down with the kids'!
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