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English term or phrase:

Persian

English answer:

Persian

Added to glossary by Madeleine MacRae Klintebo
May 20, 2005 20:55
19 yrs ago
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English term

Persian/Farsi

English Other Linguistics
I've got a list of languages (in Swedish) which I have to translate to English. In Swedish the term is 'persiska', i.e. Persian.

I can remember reading forums at Proz.com in which the Persian/Farsi question has been discussed, only I can't remember the outcome.

What is the name of the 'Persian'language in English?

Regards,
Madeleine

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Persian

http://www.proz.com/topic/16636

And Farsi is the Arabic way of saying Persian – very insulting if you ask me. The bottom line is, the language is Persian; Persian is also the dominate ethnic group of Iran; and Persia still exists today as a central province of Iran, even though the name was expanded to call the entire country, which was never changed in 1935, rather, foreign delegates were asked to refer to it in the native way, which was as the Empire of Iran, denoting the Aryan ancestry (ironically only abut 70% are actually Aryan these days). This may have been a bad move – it should have remained as being known as Persia; maybe then people wouldn’t think Persians don’t exist anymore, or that the Persian language has died out, and Persians the world over would be spared from having to defend our culture and language the way we do!

Regards,

Masoud Naseri
Master of Science in Anthropology

FARSI (Arabic forn of PARSI) is interal word of this language and PERSIAN is its international equivalent. There is no fiffrence between these languages.. They are same.
This piece show lack of knowledge of that friend. He shoud read Mr Pejman Akbarzadeh's article again carefuly.

Thanks
Sh. Peyrovani


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Note added at 5 mins (2005-05-20 21:01:42 GMT)
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...and since I am Greek:
FARSI (Arabic form of PARSI) is the native name of our language and PERSIAN is its English equivalent; as the native name of German language is \'Deutsch\', but we never use \'Deutsch\' in place of \'German\' in English; or native term of Greek Language is \"Ellinika\" and always in English we say \'Greek\' language, not \'Ellinika\' language.
Peer comment(s):

agree Nick Lingris : From a Greek (who wouldn't be insulted to be called a Hellene, but would certainly find it strange).
4 mins
Thanks, but there's a very interesting debate on this here: http://www.proz.com/topic/23016 and an interesting article here: http://users.hol.gr/~geodel/Graecia.html
agree ------ (X) : Theoretically I agree with you!:)
8 mins
Thanks! Do you know the ISO code for Greek coding in TMs? EL-01 :-)
agree Alexander Demyanov : http://m-w.com/mw/table/indoeuro.htm
8 mins
:-)/That's a very interesting link Alexander. Thanks!
agree Maria Karra
10 mins
Thanks!
agree Will Matter : It's "Persian", generally, in English. Most English speakers don't know/use the word "Farsi". However, in Persian, it IS "Farsi" as in "Man Farsi sobhat mikonam" (I speak Persian a little).
10 mins
I certainly agree with you (...)! :-)
agree Robert Donahue (X) : U.S. military calls it Persian-Farsi.
18 mins
Thanks Robert...¨-)
agree sarahl (X) : why insulting? 1) no P in Arabic, 2) P and F are one and the same in Indo-European. Deutsch (Teutons) and Germans were tribes roaming the same territory, melenia.
31 mins
You are asking me to justify Mr Massoud Naseri's opinion? He obviously does not like: 1. the fact a word in Arabic (another language) is used to name his own and 2.Aryan carries too many connotations for me to discuss someone else's opinions chocolatenia.
agree Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
6 hrs
Thanks!
agree Lingo Pros : Linguistically, Persian language should be called Farsi only when talking in Persian! Many patriotic Persians will be offended if you call their language "Farsi". But anyway "Farsi" is a word which has found its way to English dictionaries.
6 hrs
Thanks!
agree Alfa Trans (X)
8 hrs
Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Elena, your answer (and the comments from other ProZ) is very informative. I'll def. use Persian rather than Farsi (which I now understand to be Arabic). Thank you for answering my first ever KudoZ question. "
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Farsi

with a capital "F" all languages, nationalities, religions, etc take a capital letter in the beginning

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Note added at 23 mins (2005-05-20 21:19:10 GMT)
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I have always heard the term Farsi. This is the term I am most familiar with.


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Peer comment(s):

agree Refugio
1 min
thanks
agree ------ (X) : ISO 639 Codes fa
9 mins
Thanks
neutral Will Matter : Most English speakers who are not linguists neither know nor use this term to refer to one of the languages of Iran. They use "Persian" instead, 99 times out of 100.
15 mins
agree Ltemes : I too have always heard it said this way.
36 mins
neutral Lingo Pros : For several reasons, it's really better if Persian is called Persian in English! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language
6 hrs
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6 hrs

"Persian" is the appropriate word

Persian, the more widely used and official name of the language in English, is the Hellenized form of the native term Parsi. Farsi is the Arabicized form of Parsi due to a lack of the /p/ phoneme in Standard Arabic. Its use in the English language is very recent.

Native Persian speakers typically call it "Farsi" in modern usage. ISO, the Academy of Persian Language and Literature, and many other sources call the language Persian. The government of Afghanistan uses both "Dari" and "Persian" in English communications.

The Academy of Persian Language and Literature as well as most linguists and lexicographers believe that "Farsi" is not the appropriate term used for the Persian language in English. In the ISO 639-1, the local names form the basis for the language codes and for this reason "fa" is the designation for the Persian language in that system.

Peer comment(s):

agree Elena Petelos : Thank you for the information and for explaining the ISO coding clearly.
7 hrs
agree Will Matter
16 hrs
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