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modern adverb

English translation: adverb: modernly (as in: modernly equipped)

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English term or phrase:modern
Selected answer:adverb: modernly (as in: modernly equipped)
Entered by: Nick Lingris

09:55 Aug 29, 2005
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Linguistics
Region (source): English (United Kingdom)
Region (target): English (United Kingdom)
English term or phrase: modern adverb
Pls say does the adjective modern have an adverb...

modernly ?? equipped congress centre or should I say

profesionally equipped?

Thank you.

Laura

P.S. I could not find the entry - modernly in any dictionary.
Laura1
Local time: 23:16
The case for "modernly"
Explanation:
[This note is in support of Kiradenea’s answer. It may be graded but not selected.]
According to the Oxford English dictionary, ‘modernly’ has been around since 1605.
Here is the OED entry:
modernly adv.
1. In modern times. Now rare.
...
1856 Ulster Jrnl. Archæol. IV. 244 Bonaght was specially due on land modernly held by sorren tenure.
2. In a modern manner; after the fashion of modern times.
...
1868 Morn. Star 29 June, The Latin original reads to-day most modernly.
1887 Harper's Mag. July 315 Most modernly American as it is, it has a flavor one tastes in travels of old times.
3. Comb., as modernly-armed, written adjs.
1894 Westm. Gaz. 15 Oct. 5/1 The well-drilled and modernly-armed force which China can put in the field.
1905 Daily Chron. 28 Dec. 8/3 A modernly-written play.

Websters’s entry is:
1 : in modern times: now: society as modernly organized cannot tolerate so broad an area of official irresponsibility— R.H.Jackson
2 : in a modern manner: a modernly designed house; a modernly run office.

‘Modernly’ also appears in all the bigger single-volume dictionaries, though without examples.

On the Web, it is not to be found just on the sites of uneducated foreigners who play fast and loose with the language. If you run searches on “co.uk” sites as well as on “edu” and “ac.uk” sites, you will find many examples of its use.

Most of these examples are in the following combinations:
modernly equipped, modernly decorated, modernly furnished, modernly styled, modernly refurbished, modernly appointed, modernly designed
But also, e.g.:
modernly orchestrated
The sketches are modernly old-fashioned
Cumming is modernly camp and that is what made him famous, but this does not serve him well as a romantic lead. (from the Daily Telegraph)

In the Encyclopedia Britannica:
Perhaps the first country to develop a comprehensive and modernly efficient scheme of military education was Prussia...
First discovered modernly in 1938 by a woodcutter...
Anciently and modernly he has been a controversial person, but the very fury of the
controversy shows that he was a major figure of ancient history.

A9.com is Amazon’s search engine. One of the search options is to look for the word(s) in the titles or the content of books. You will find 398 uses of the word ‘modernly’ in books, 4 of them in titles.
E.g. one occurrence is in Buckminster Fuller’s “Critical Path”:
...Russians' "conventional" naval supremacy and its vastly greater numbers of modernly armed divisions...

In addition to the above documentation, I have to disagree with some of the other arguments:
“Not a common expression”: Even if we take Google’s findings with a pinch of salt, 9,000 occurrences of “modernly equipped” (let alone other combinations) make it quite a common expression, at least in the specific context.
“We cannot rely on Google as a linguistic authority”: No, but we can rely on our reading of the Google findings. And we do it all of the time.
“The English language does not need another invented word”: It is not an invented word. It has been around for five centuries. In any way, the English language is constantly enriched with new words, and that’s what makes it the richest language in the world.
In addition, in this case it is the best single word to express the meaning required. The only valid alternative, IMO, is David’s "equipped to the highest modern standards", six words for one.

I therefore think it is a perfectly acceptable word, well documented, used by many, and impossible to replace or improve on. As I said in my comment to Kiradenea’s answer, “I would use it in ‘modernly equipped’ even if I were the first one to do so”.

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Note added at 1 day 10 hrs 12 mins (2005-08-30 20:07:12 GMT) Post-grading
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Native speakers (or writers, if your prefer) who belong to the "pro-modernly" school of thought:
We were told in 1937 that there would be 1,750 first-line aircraft modernly equipped by April 1, 1938.
[The Second World War, Volume 1: The Gathering Storm by Winston S. Churchill]
We were lucky to get this place, which is furnished modernly and with good taste.
[Berlin Diary : The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941 by William L. Shirer]
A bar, modernly decorated and obviously endowed with the best of intentions, but somehow strangely out of place in this respectable Swiss hostelry, ...
[Sketches from a Life by George F. Kennan]
Symbolism contains within itself a shift from a romantic to a modernly ironic aesthetic.
[Modernism : A Guide to European Literature 1890-1930 (Penguin Literary Criticism) by Malcolm Bradbury]
The family is wonderfully, modernly dysfunctional."
[Glenn Close, praising James Goldman’s Lion in Winter]
...untied her bonnet-strings and revealed herself as something at once agelessly primitive and most modernly degenerate.
[The Judge by Rebecca West]
Most of the writers of Frommer's Guides.
Selected response from:

Nick Lingris
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:16
Grading comment
Thank you all for your answers, I think you explaniation was the most thorough one, I also liked the "equipped to the highest modern standards" answe and also the well-equipped answer.
I will check other dictionaries for the entry modernly.

Laura
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +9State of the art
gtreyger (X)
5 +3up-to-date equipment or the latest equipment
lindaellen (X)
5 +2professionally equipped
Charlesp
4 +3a modern congress centre
Alaa Zeineldine
5Modern: adjective
María Roberto (X)
5The case for "modernly"
Nick Lingris
4modernly
Herminia Herrándiz Espuny
4fully-equipped
KNielsen


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
modernly


Explanation:
8620 results in google for "modernly equipped"

Modernly equipped loft apartment in Rome, Italy ... It is modernly equipped and
tastefully furnished. There is wood parquet everywhere except in the ...
www.worldvacationrentals.net/detailed/1833.html

The room is modernly equipped and toned in a comforting manner. Each room has
own bathroom with shower or bath. To other facilities belong satelite TV, ...
www.channels.nl/77101b.html

Every room is modernly equipped with a private bathroom with a toilet, bathtub
or shower. This room is for single or double use. ...
www.hotelsinholland.com/1972/

Herminia Herrándiz Espuny
Spain
Local time: 23:16
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Palíndromo: It exists: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=modernly
3 mins
  -> ty Claudio :) I was going to include that reference right now ;)
agree  Anabel Martínez
5 mins
  -> gcs Anabel :)
agree  ahmadwadan.com
5 mins
  -> ty Ahmad :)
disagree  Charlesp: perhaPs modernly equipped sounds ok in Continental English, but in American English it isn't a very common expression. (I like Can's comment; see below!)
22 mins
  -> ty for the explanation :)
agree  Nick Lingris: The English language needs this adverb, it exists in recent dictionaries (NODE, Encarta) and I would use it in "modernly equipped" even if I were the first one to do so. // If one has to have an alternative, David's suggestion seems to me to be the best.
39 mins
  -> ty Nick :)
disagree  David Knowles: It may exist, but it's not used. The quotes above are not native English and paraphrases like "equipped to the highest modern standards" would be used.
1 hr
  -> ty for your explanation too :)
agree  Johan Venter: I agree with Nick, it's a rather recent addition and a very useful one at that. English is ever evolving
2 hrs
  -> I completely agree, eventhough the other suggestions are good ones too :)
disagree  RHELLER: use it if you like, but in the U.S. people would think that you were uneducated//foreign Google results are not true references and should not be used in this English section
5 hrs
disagree  Can Altinbay: I have to put my vote in here. I have never heard "modernly" in my almost 50 years of immersion in English. The language needs this adverb as much as it needs "verbizing" and "nounizations" (not at all). Go with one of the "state of the art" responses.
6 hrs
disagree  Refugio: The English language does not need another invented word that sounds awkward, nor can we rely on Google as a linguistic authority..
21 hrs
  -> I didn't pretend to use google as a linguistic authority but as an example of the use of this "adverb"
neutral  Laurel Porter (X): I would never use this word - if it's a legitimate neologism, it isn't one I would adopt. It doesn't sound like good English. // Indeed, I think you are right! I'll change it to neutral to split the difference, even though it's too late. :-)
21 hrs
  -> I think you wanted to vote "disagree" :)
disagree  Angela Dickson (X): sorry, that is not English, despite the Google hits (if I were inventing English, though, I'd put it in...). Using it in a translation would not make a good impression to a native English-speaking client.
1 day 18 mins
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
1 day 1 hr
  -> ty Vicky :)
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20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Modern: adjective


Explanation:
"Modern" is an adjective.
1[only before noun]belonging to the present time or most recent time
(synonym) contemporary
-Such companies must change if they are to compete in the modern world .
- They are the youngest children in modern times to face murder charges.
- Smaller families are a feature of modern society .
-Computers are an essential part of modern life .
- A book about modern history.
- The original supermarkets were small by modern standards.
Longman - Dictionary of Contemporary English

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Note added at 28 mins (2005-08-29 10:23:43 GMT)
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Another link: http://www.morewords.com/word/modernly/
This is not a dictionary, it's a word game wordfinder.
Maybe you are not going to find the word in any dictionary but it does exist.

María Roberto (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
professionally equipped


Explanation:
a "professionally equipped" meeting room about make sence; a modern or modernly equipted meeting room, describing it as this would not give a good presentation.

A modern apartment, or modern furnished would be ok - but you were referring to a business centre, not a decorating style.

Charlesp
Sweden
Local time: 23:16
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 2

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  María Roberto (X)
27 mins
  -> thanks
agree  lindaellen (X): or with up-to-date equipment or the latest equipment OK I will submit it - thanks
1 hr
  -> good options (why dont you suggest them as an answer)
neutral  gtreyger (X): Professionally equipped as opposed to what? Unprofessionally equipped? Or was it equipped by professionals? That phrase doesn't make much senSe to me.
10 hrs
  -> It is a term of art in English.
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37 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +9
State of the art


Explanation:
As a last resort I would use "Equipped in a modern style", but in the US "modernly" is not a very used word at all.

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Note added at 3 hrs 35 mins (2005-08-29 13:30:34 GMT)
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State-of-the-art congress centre

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Note added at 4 hrs 16 mins (2005-08-29 14:11:58 GMT)
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A congress centre with state-of-the-art equipment

gtreyger (X)
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Katherine Hodkinson: modernly just sounds somehow wrong to me
12 mins
  -> Thank you, Katherine.
agree  lindaellen (X): yes, exactly
57 mins
  -> Thank you, Linda
agree  jennifer newsome (X)
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Jennifer
agree  rangepost
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Rangepost
agree  Lori Utecht/Vívian M Alves: yes - I think when used as an adjective, it should have hyphens (state-of-the-art conference center)
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Lori, I think it should be hyphenated too.
agree  juvera
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Juvera
agree  Robert Donahue (X): "state of the art congress centre" or "a congress centre with state of the art equipment"
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Rob
disagree  Charlesp: IF that is what it is. (Though perhaps that is being a bit optimistic, isn't it?) Consider the difference between "modern equptment" and "state of the art equiptment"; or a "modern computer" and a "state of the art computer."
3 hrs
  -> That seems what the asker is talking about. If something is "modern", I'd say that it is "state-of-the-art". If something is not "state-of-the-art", I'd say it's outdated.//Why don't we just agree to disagree :-)
agree  RHELLER: this is the expression we use in technical translations to express "the latest available equipment"
4 hrs
  -> Thank you, Rita
agree  KNielsen
15 hrs
  -> Thank you, K. Nielsen
agree  Refugio
20 hrs
  -> Thank you, Ruth
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
up-to-date equipment or the latest equipment


Explanation:
Two of just many ways of getting around "modernly" which just sounds awkward to my ears.

lindaellen (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  humbird
44 mins
agree  sporran
3 hrs
agree  gtreyger (X)
6 hrs
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
a modern congress centre


Explanation:
If you prefer to use "modern", you can use it as an adjective:

a modern congress centre

I think that modern would imply that the center is suitably equipped without having to say so explicitly. But you can also use an expression that you will find popular if you google for "equipped congress centre", namely "a modern well-equipped congress centre". Prof. Google will also find "modernly" for you, but I would not take the Prof's guidance on that one.

Alaa Zeineldine
Egypt
Local time: 00:16
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 11

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  gtreyger (X)
1 hr
agree  Laurel Porter (X): Nicely put, Alaa! I agree completely.
12 hrs
agree  Javier Herrera (X)
16 hrs
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16 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
fully-equipped


Explanation:
Another idea; I think there are several good answers here. Definitely wouldn't use "modernly" though, whether it exists or not.

KNielsen
Japan
Local time: 06:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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1 day 53 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
modern-ly
The case for "modernly"


Explanation:
[This note is in support of Kiradenea’s answer. It may be graded but not selected.]
According to the Oxford English dictionary, ‘modernly’ has been around since 1605.
Here is the OED entry:
modernly adv.
1. In modern times. Now rare.
...
1856 Ulster Jrnl. Archæol. IV. 244 Bonaght was specially due on land modernly held by sorren tenure.
2. In a modern manner; after the fashion of modern times.
...
1868 Morn. Star 29 June, The Latin original reads to-day most modernly.
1887 Harper's Mag. July 315 Most modernly American as it is, it has a flavor one tastes in travels of old times.
3. Comb., as modernly-armed, written adjs.
1894 Westm. Gaz. 15 Oct. 5/1 The well-drilled and modernly-armed force which China can put in the field.
1905 Daily Chron. 28 Dec. 8/3 A modernly-written play.

Websters’s entry is:
1 : in modern times: now: society as modernly organized cannot tolerate so broad an area of official irresponsibility— R.H.Jackson
2 : in a modern manner: a modernly designed house; a modernly run office.

‘Modernly’ also appears in all the bigger single-volume dictionaries, though without examples.

On the Web, it is not to be found just on the sites of uneducated foreigners who play fast and loose with the language. If you run searches on “co.uk” sites as well as on “edu” and “ac.uk” sites, you will find many examples of its use.

Most of these examples are in the following combinations:
modernly equipped, modernly decorated, modernly furnished, modernly styled, modernly refurbished, modernly appointed, modernly designed
But also, e.g.:
modernly orchestrated
The sketches are modernly old-fashioned
Cumming is modernly camp and that is what made him famous, but this does not serve him well as a romantic lead. (from the Daily Telegraph)

In the Encyclopedia Britannica:
Perhaps the first country to develop a comprehensive and modernly efficient scheme of military education was Prussia...
First discovered modernly in 1938 by a woodcutter...
Anciently and modernly he has been a controversial person, but the very fury of the
controversy shows that he was a major figure of ancient history.

A9.com is Amazon’s search engine. One of the search options is to look for the word(s) in the titles or the content of books. You will find 398 uses of the word ‘modernly’ in books, 4 of them in titles.
E.g. one occurrence is in Buckminster Fuller’s “Critical Path”:
...Russians' "conventional" naval supremacy and its vastly greater numbers of modernly armed divisions...

In addition to the above documentation, I have to disagree with some of the other arguments:
“Not a common expression”: Even if we take Google’s findings with a pinch of salt, 9,000 occurrences of “modernly equipped” (let alone other combinations) make it quite a common expression, at least in the specific context.
“We cannot rely on Google as a linguistic authority”: No, but we can rely on our reading of the Google findings. And we do it all of the time.
“The English language does not need another invented word”: It is not an invented word. It has been around for five centuries. In any way, the English language is constantly enriched with new words, and that’s what makes it the richest language in the world.
In addition, in this case it is the best single word to express the meaning required. The only valid alternative, IMO, is David’s "equipped to the highest modern standards", six words for one.

I therefore think it is a perfectly acceptable word, well documented, used by many, and impossible to replace or improve on. As I said in my comment to Kiradenea’s answer, “I would use it in ‘modernly equipped’ even if I were the first one to do so”.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day 10 hrs 12 mins (2005-08-30 20:07:12 GMT) Post-grading
--------------------------------------------------

Native speakers (or writers, if your prefer) who belong to the "pro-modernly" school of thought:
We were told in 1937 that there would be 1,750 first-line aircraft modernly equipped by April 1, 1938.
[The Second World War, Volume 1: The Gathering Storm by Winston S. Churchill]
We were lucky to get this place, which is furnished modernly and with good taste.
[Berlin Diary : The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941 by William L. Shirer]
A bar, modernly decorated and obviously endowed with the best of intentions, but somehow strangely out of place in this respectable Swiss hostelry, ...
[Sketches from a Life by George F. Kennan]
Symbolism contains within itself a shift from a romantic to a modernly ironic aesthetic.
[Modernism : A Guide to European Literature 1890-1930 (Penguin Literary Criticism) by Malcolm Bradbury]
The family is wonderfully, modernly dysfunctional."
[Glenn Close, praising James Goldman’s Lion in Winter]
...untied her bonnet-strings and revealed herself as something at once agelessly primitive and most modernly degenerate.
[The Judge by Rebecca West]
Most of the writers of Frommer's Guides.

Nick Lingris
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:16
Native speaker of: Native in GreekGreek
PRO pts in category: 52
Grading comment
Thank you all for your answers, I think you explaniation was the most thorough one, I also liked the "equipped to the highest modern standards" answe and also the well-equipped answer.
I will check other dictionaries for the entry modernly.

Laura

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Refugio: The one argument you didn't address (and probably the reason it fell into disuse in the first place) is that it SOUNDS impossibly awkward. Language is not always about logic, and perhapst you still have just the tiniest bit to learn from the native ear.
7 hrs
  -> I don’t think it’s a "native vs non-native speaker" kind of argument within the small world of ProZ. In the wider world out there, there are obviously two schools of thought about it among *native* speakers. You subscribe to one, and I to the other.
agree  Johan Venter: Great one, Nick! Us native speakers are not always the best judges of the English language, which is probably why the Dutch are well known for speaking English better than the English do!
10 hrs
  -> Thanks, v., though I hate to admit I'd rather have had the late Malcolm Bradbury vote in favour. Try to imagine what it was like for the person who coined "unputdownable".
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