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Jun 5, 2008 15:41
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German term

Stirn- und Fersenversatz

German to English Tech/Engineering Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting joinery
Describes the end of one piece of wood meeting the broad side of another at 45 degrees, with the end cut into a shape to fit a shaped notch in the other piece of wood. Also called a "doppelter Versatz". Possibly "staggered face and heel joint" ("face staggered joint" for Stirnversatz exists but I can't find any instances on web outside of eng-ger technical dictionaries, and no pictures, although the German word seems common enough). Other possibilities are "offset joint" and "keyed joint"
See:http://www.modellbau-quedlinburg.de/mbq/cms/front_content.ph...

and

www.ibl.uni-stuttgart.de/07infopool/html/listen/baulexikon-...
Proposed translations (English)
3 +3 oblique thrust joint
1 -1 dovetail joint / sliding dovetail joint
Change log

Jun 5, 2008 22:45: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Stirn-und Fersenversatz" to "Stirn- und Fersenversatz" , "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Tech/Engineering"

Discussion

Ken Cox Jun 6, 2008:
I don't think it's haunched. A haunch is a lateral exension to the tenon that extends to the face of the main timber or is beveled to the face (see e.g. Fig. 628 of your ref). Fig. 630 of your ref is an oblique m&t joint (same as Stirnversatz m. Zapfen)
Ingrid Moore Jun 5, 2008:
Would these links help your?: http://www.gte-uk.com/glossary.php; http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2007008139&wo=20070... http://www.wikihow.com/Prepare-Rough-Sawn-Timber-for-Woodwor...

Proposed translations

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German term (edited): Stirnversatz
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oblique thrust joint

You have two different terms here, which share the root '-versatz'.

For 'oblique thrust joint', see no. 64 in the following document:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20846/20846-h/20846-h.htm#pag...

which has the following description:

No. 63 and 64. A thrust joint or tie joint or toe joint is one in which two beams meet at an oblique angle, one receiving the thrust of the other. The toe may be either square as in 63, or oblique as in 64. The pieces are bolted or strapped together with iron. It is used for the batter braces of bridges.

This corresponds to the 'plain' Stirnversatz in your reference.

If the joint also has a mortise and tenon (which prevents it from slipping sideways), it is called an oblique mortise-and-tenon joint or bevel-shoulder joint according to the above-cited document -- see no. 67, with the following description:

No. 67. An oblique mortise-and-tenon or bevel-shoulder joint is one in which the shoulders of the tenoned beam are cut obliquely and its end is cut off at right angles. The cheeks of the mortise are correspondingly sunk. By these means the tenon prevents lateral motion while the whole width of the beam presses against the abutment. Thus a much larger bearing surface is obtained. The whole is bolted or strapped together. It is used in heavy truss work.

The drawiing and description correspond to the Stirnversatz mit Zapfen in your reference document.

As for Fersenversatz, the Kluwer Bouwkundewoordenboek (NL/D/EN) gives 'heel joint', but in modern usage this apparently refers to the joint between the horizontal and oblique members of a roof truss.
Peer comment(s):
agree Kevin Brown (X) : Have to agree, great research.
2 hrs
agree Andres Larsen : you are right, I was just making an educated guess
15 hrs
agree Ingrid Moore
17 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks. I think "oblique mortise and tenon joint" comes closest. It may be "oblique haunched mortise and tenon joint" http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fMZwUGf6wJoC&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=%22oblique+mortise-and-tenon+joint%22&source=web&ots=xMlIIb2fYi&sig=zpzTOV9q_1fgTnXHfP7plHPX_o4&hl=en"
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German term (edited): Stirn-und Fersenversatz

dovetail joint / sliding dovetail joint

sollte Stirn- und Fersenversatz gleichbedeutend mit Gratverbindung oder Schwalbenschwanzverbindung sein dann:

dovetail joint Schwalbenschwanzverbindung

oder:

sliding dovetail joint Gratverbindung {f} [Holztechnik]


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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-05 19:06:48 GMT)
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forget this attempted translation above

all images of "Stirn- und Fersenversatz" are available at:

Holzverbindung – WikipediaDer Stirnversatz und der doppelte Versatz werden zum Teil auch mit einem .... Wikipedia® ist eine eingetragene Marke der Wikimedia Foundation Inc. ...
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holzverbindung - 54k - En caché -

Good luck with your quest for both equivalent terms in English

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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-05 19:10:20 GMT)
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I was right on target with dovetail joint for "Stirn- und Fersenversatz"

all images of dovetail joints available at:

Dovetail joint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia- [ Traducir esta página ]A dovetail joint or simply dovetail is a joint technique most commonly used in woodworking joinery. Noted for its resistance to being pulled apart (tensile ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovetail_joint - 29k - En caché -


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Note added at 22 hrs (2008-06-06 13:53:11 GMT)
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I withdraw my translation attempt and fully defer to Ken Cox who hit the nail on the head. Congratulations !
Peer comment(s):
disagree Ken Cox : I don't see howyou can arrive at this conclusion from the cited references.
6 hrs
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