Mirra_ Jan 25, 2009:

verb or noun? NOUN! :)

I would just like to stress that 'favolizzazione' is a noun, derived from 'favolizzare', and that this verb and the derived noun are not synonyms! :)

Moreover, 'favolizzare' even if introduced by an article ('il favolizzare') is not he same as 'favolizzazione'.

The adding of the suffix '-zione' actually means that the verb is "put in action". In other words, the suffix '-zione- corresponds to *the act* of doing what the verb specifies and the meaning of the derived noun is different from the verb for itself. So it cannot be translated as a PP.

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suffissi deverbali, che unendosi a un verbo formano nomi d'azione o deverbali astratti (che in certi casi, poi, possono "concretizzarsi", diventando cosiddetti nomi risultato, vale a dire nomi concreti): suffissi deverbali sono "-zione", "-ata", "-ura", "-mento" ecc.; essi formano i rispettivi deverbali "ammirazione", "camminata", "andatura", "giuramento", e i rispettivi nomi risultato "costruzione", "aranciata", "frittura", "arredamento".
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffisso

Just few examples

compensare, il compensare, compensazione
"la compensazione delle perdite può essere ottenuta..."

ammmirare, l'ammirare, ammirazione
"è sempre stato confortato dall'ammirazione della gente"

estrarre, l'estrarre, estrazione
"l'estrazione dei diamanti necessità di tecnologie"

Check the above mentioned sentences, in none of them you can use the verb in the place of the verb-derived noun.

Exactly like in the present case, 'favolizzazione' means the act of creating a tale by means of the 'favolizzare'. But it's not a verb. It'the act obtained by putting in action the verb.

For this, and for lenghtness problems (compared to mine... ;) I guiess that the best solution could be 'fabulation'. As Fiorsam suggested.


Anyway, for Pauley. Fabling... (but for what I explained until now) would be perfect, And it is absolutely not at all archaic! :)

Paul O'Brien Jan 24, 2009:

pp or noun i would see it as either a present participle or a noun. this dude uses it as a noun, for example, and i don't see that it is archaic, just rare (like a lot of nice things in this world).
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=35347820

forli Jan 24, 2009:

fabling It`s difficult. Remember what a fable is - a morality tale. I have the same problem as Angela with the archaic character of the word. My own suggestion is close but the two nouns do not have the same meaning. i.e. "fable" and "myth".

Angela Arnone Jan 23, 2009:

fabling Paul's right - so I stand corrected. My only doubt would be that I see this verb is considered "archaic" and is intended to mean "telling something as if it was true" ... presumably when it isn't.
This is an interesting linguistic point, so I'd like to hear the view of Paul and other colleagues, as I'm not sure it would apply to Leone's creation of Westerns!