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Spanish term or phrase:
tanto más cuanto antes se produzca
English translation:
The earlier ... , the greater the predictive value
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Cinnamon Nolan
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Spanish term
tanto más cuanto antes se produzca
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Hello everyone.
I know what the phrase means but in the context I am hesitant because it doesn't seem to make much sense. Are they simply saying that Ph positivity will predict bronchial asthma and that the sooner a Ph test is carried out the sooner the asthma can be spotted, or are they saying that the earlier a person starts to get a positive Ph result the sooner the BA is going to develop?
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La incidencia de AB, tanto al año como a los dos años, es mayor en los niños que tienen manifestaciones atópicas a edades tempranas (antes de los 6 años) que en los niños mayores. La positividad de Ph predice el desarrollo de AB a corto plazo (2 años)*** tanto más cuanto antes se produzca****. Ph se convierte en un marcador de riesgo inmunológico involucrado en el inicio de los síntomas de AB, eficaz para seleccionar los niños con mayor riesgo de desarrollo de AB.
Thank you for your help!
I know what the phrase means but in the context I am hesitant because it doesn't seem to make much sense. Are they simply saying that Ph positivity will predict bronchial asthma and that the sooner a Ph test is carried out the sooner the asthma can be spotted, or are they saying that the earlier a person starts to get a positive Ph result the sooner the BA is going to develop?
The text is pasted below:
La incidencia de AB, tanto al año como a los dos años, es mayor en los niños que tienen manifestaciones atópicas a edades tempranas (antes de los 6 años) que en los niños mayores. La positividad de Ph predice el desarrollo de AB a corto plazo (2 años)*** tanto más cuanto antes se produzca****. Ph se convierte en un marcador de riesgo inmunológico involucrado en el inicio de los síntomas de AB, eficaz para seleccionar los niños con mayor riesgo de desarrollo de AB.
Thank you for your help!
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Cinnamon Nolan
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the earlier the positivity result appears, the greater the predictive value
Or "the earlier a child tests positive, the greater..."
Something like these suggestions. Re-thinking, as you said, I agree with your analysis posted in the discussion. :-)
I still feel a semi-colon would work best here, or a separate sentence.
The earlier the age at onset, the greater was the risk of relapse (OR, ... with a positive defined as a concentration (PC20) causing 20% decrease in FEV1; ... Factors predictive of persistent or relapsing wheezing in adulthood include: ...
medgenmed.medscape.com/viewarticle/462663
.... predictive of persistent asthma symptoms in adulthood.3840 ..... study indicated that ***the earlier treatment with corticosteroids was begun following the diag- nosis ofasthma, the greater the increase**** in pulmonary function ...
thorax.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/51/Suppl_1/S7.pdf
Confirmation of the association between high levels of ...
... the earlier the age of onset, and the greater the severity of eczema, the greater the frequency of associated high levels of IgE-FS.
Early Prevention of Asthma ... Clinical & Experimental Allergy
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119410057/abstrac...
Something like these suggestions. Re-thinking, as you said, I agree with your analysis posted in the discussion. :-)
I still feel a semi-colon would work best here, or a separate sentence.
The earlier the age at onset, the greater was the risk of relapse (OR, ... with a positive defined as a concentration (PC20) causing 20% decrease in FEV1; ... Factors predictive of persistent or relapsing wheezing in adulthood include: ...
medgenmed.medscape.com/viewarticle/462663
.... predictive of persistent asthma symptoms in adulthood.3840 ..... study indicated that ***the earlier treatment with corticosteroids was begun following the diag- nosis ofasthma, the greater the increase**** in pulmonary function ...
thorax.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/51/Suppl_1/S7.pdf
Confirmation of the association between high levels of ...
... the earlier the age of onset, and the greater the severity of eczema, the greater the frequency of associated high levels of IgE-FS.
Early Prevention of Asthma ... Clinical & Experimental Allergy
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119410057/abstrac...
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Comment: "Thank you Cinammon! And thanks to everyone who responded, but to all others who concentrated on pH, we are not dealing with pH at all! Ph is an abbreviation for another type of test (yes or no positivity). "
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María T. Vargas
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all the more the sooner this is done
I think this is the idea. Good luck.
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Giovanni Rengifo
: What does this mean? This just doesn't sound right to me.
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redimida
: all the more the earlier it happens
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is more effective the earlier the pH turns positive
I would write:
"The positivity of pH predicts the onset of BA in the short term (within 2 years); this prediction is more effective the earlier the pH turns positive."
Hope it helps! (also I suggest to write "pH" like this).
"The positivity of pH predicts the onset of BA in the short term (within 2 years); this prediction is more effective the earlier the pH turns positive."
Hope it helps! (also I suggest to write "pH" like this).
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The earlier Ph tests positive, the sooner it will predict the development of BA in the short term...
HTH. G'luck.
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Caroline Clarke
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the more positive the pH value is, the sooner BA will appear
Googling this it appears that the "Ph" in question is actually pH, as VeronicaMar says.
Therefore it could mean that the more positive the pH value is, the sooner BA will manifest itself in the patient.
NB. pH is a measure of acidity and runs on a scale of 0 to 14 (ish, it can also be slightly negative), so it can be more or less positive.
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Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2009-06-26 09:16:21 GMT) Post-grading
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brainfloss - that you for your input, but you should try googling things first perhaps? please see wikipedia for an explanation of what pH is (yes it does make sense to talk about it being more or less positive - believe me i know what i'm talking about - i am a chemist). also please see the weblinks below for the links made between measurement of pH of bodily fluids and their connection with bronchial asthma:
http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?typ=fullte...
http://www.ersnet.org/learning_resources_player/abstract_pri...
http://indianpediatrics.net/oct1995/1083.pdf.
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How confusing!! it seems that pH and Ph are both revelant for BA.... thanks for clarifying alidalc.
Therefore it could mean that the more positive the pH value is, the sooner BA will manifest itself in the patient.
NB. pH is a measure of acidity and runs on a scale of 0 to 14 (ish, it can also be slightly negative), so it can be more or less positive.
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Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2009-06-26 09:16:21 GMT) Post-grading
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brainfloss - that you for your input, but you should try googling things first perhaps? please see wikipedia for an explanation of what pH is (yes it does make sense to talk about it being more or less positive - believe me i know what i'm talking about - i am a chemist). also please see the weblinks below for the links made between measurement of pH of bodily fluids and their connection with bronchial asthma:
http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?typ=fullte...
http://www.ersnet.org/learning_resources_player/abstract_pri...
http://indianpediatrics.net/oct1995/1083.pdf.
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Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2009-06-26 09:19:22 GMT) Post-grading
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How confusing!! it seems that pH and Ph are both revelant for BA.... thanks for clarifying alidalc.
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Alvaro Aliaga
: Ph cannot be pH as the latter is something than can be measured throughout life and certainly has nothing to do with it being positive or even more positive because that wouldn't make sense at all.//alidalc confirmed this is not pH but a different Ph.
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hi brainfloss, i'm afraid you are wrong - please see my note.
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