Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Nov 28, 2009 18:21
14 yrs ago
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Turkish term
imam hatip
Turkish to English
Art/Literary
Religion
Clerics
Greetings,
I had always thought that “Hatip” was the name of a particular imam, but apparently not.
But if, as what I have read recently seems to imply, it's an adjective specifying the kind of imam (meaning something like “hutbe-giving imam), shouldn't it be before the noun i.e. “hatip imam”?
Then again, don't all imams give a hutbe on Fridays?
All the best, and many thanks,
Simon
I had always thought that “Hatip” was the name of a particular imam, but apparently not.
But if, as what I have read recently seems to imply, it's an adjective specifying the kind of imam (meaning something like “hutbe-giving imam), shouldn't it be before the noun i.e. “hatip imam”?
Then again, don't all imams give a hutbe on Fridays?
All the best, and many thanks,
Simon
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +1 | imam-preacher |
Erkan Dogan
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| 5 +2 | imam & orator |
Ali Bayraktar
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| 5 +2 | imam hatip |
Bee Baran
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| 5 +2 | imam hatip (lycée) |
shule
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| 5 +1 | prayer leader and preacher |
Mehmet Hascan
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Proposed translations
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45 mins
Erkan Dogan
United States
United States
Native in Turkish
United States
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail...
Native in: Turkish
Works in: English to Turkish, Turkish to English
Related KudoZ points
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imam-preacher
Imams are not only the ones who lead the prayer, but also the lecturer on certain occasions. They preach and lecture about various subjects during prayers, such as Friday prayer. Even though preach may implicate a biblical meaning, using it with imam will absolutely tell about its purpose and content of the lecture. Please take a look at the link provided.
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Forgot to add, imams are not only trained and educated to lead the prayers, but also to lecture. So, preaching is a part of their overall responsibilities. I used to read about those who had good skills in preaching as they were praised by various sources (media, some relevant authorities etc.) in Turkey.
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Another note; the way that it is said in Turkish is like "imam-hatip", referring to two different functions. Those both are two different roles converged in one person.
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2009-11-29 21:57:56 GMT)
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Why don't I get an agreement? :))))) Some hard feelings? :)
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Note added at 48 mins (2009-11-28 19:10:07 GMT)
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Forgot to add, imams are not only trained and educated to lead the prayers, but also to lecture. So, preaching is a part of their overall responsibilities. I used to read about those who had good skills in preaching as they were praised by various sources (media, some relevant authorities etc.) in Turkey.
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Note added at 50 mins (2009-11-28 19:11:58 GMT)
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Another note; the way that it is said in Turkish is like "imam-hatip", referring to two different functions. Those both are two different roles converged in one person.
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2009-11-29 21:57:56 GMT)
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Why don't I get an agreement? :))))) Some hard feelings? :)
Example sentence:
Actually all the imam-preacher schools must be closed, because they poison the minds of youngsters in making them hate Atatürk and all his reforms and ...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "many thanks excellent"
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22 mins
Ali Bayraktar
Türkiye
Türkiye
Native in Turkish
Works in field
Türkiye
Language shapes everything!
Native in: Turkish 
Works in: English to Turkish, Russian to Turkish, Kazakh to Turkish, and 1 more.
imam & orator
vocational religious high school
graduated people can serve as imam, orator or both.
graduated people can serve as imam, orator or both.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Mehmet Hascan
: schools to train prayer leaders and preachers
18 hrs
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Teşekkür Ederim.
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| agree |
Tim Drayton
1 day 16 hrs
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Teşekkür Ederim.
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13 mins
imam hatip
If you're referring to the "Imam Hatip Lisesi" or "Imam Hatip Okulları", I think you should keep it that way. "Imam Hatip High School" or "Imam Hatip Schools".
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Imam and preacher.
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Note added at 24 mins (2009-11-28 18:45:37 GMT)
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Imam and preacher.
Example sentence:
In Turkey, an Imam Hatip school (Turkish: İmam Hatip Lisesi, 'hatip' coming from Arabic 'khatib', meaning the one who delivers the "khutba" (Friday sermon)) is a secondary education institution.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Mehmet Hascan
: schools to train prayer leaders and preachers
18 hrs
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Teşekkür ederim.
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| agree |
Tim Drayton
1 day 16 hrs
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Teşekkür ederim.
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5 hrs
imam hatip (lycée)
If you are tallking about the high schools called "imam-hatips", then you had better use "Imam Hatip Lycées" because these schools are unique to Turkey and their graduates do not necessarily become an imam or preacher. These are high schools which have a regular lycée cirriculum with extra religious lessons.
Believe me, as I have graduated from one:)
Believe me, as I have graduated from one:)
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Mehmet Hascan
: schools to train prayer leaders and preachers
13 hrs
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Teşekkürler.
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| agree |
Tim Drayton
1 day 11 hrs
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19 hrs
prayer leader and preacher
Imam Hatip (Prayer Leader and Preacher) Schools and the Formation of a New Counter-Elite. When İnönü decided for transition to a multi-party regime, ...
www.virginia.edu/politics/grad.../wwdop-2006-paper-yenigun....
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http://books.google.ie/books?id=Ay-IkMqrTp4C&pg=PA180&lpg=PA...
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Schools for prayer-leaders (imam) and preachers (hatip) and a theological faculty at the University of Istanbul were opened, but in 1930– ...
www.law.uiuc.edu/publications/CLL&PJ/.../SuralArticle30-3.p...
www.virginia.edu/politics/grad.../wwdop-2006-paper-yenigun....
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http://books.google.ie/books?id=Ay-IkMqrTp4C&pg=PA180&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 19 hrs (2009-11-29 13:24:21 GMT)
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Schools for prayer-leaders (imam) and preachers (hatip) and a theological faculty at the University of Istanbul were opened, but in 1930– ...
www.law.uiuc.edu/publications/CLL&PJ/.../SuralArticle30-3.p...
Discussion
I very much like what Erkan Bey writes: "imam-hatip", referring to two different functions". I suddenly remembered that the Arabic for “in front of” is أمام “amāma”, and given the way in which Arabic roots work this idea must be embedded in the concept of an إمام imām, who indeed leads from the front in prayer.
Therefore, it looks to me as if what we have is a combination of two nouns, a bit like the English “singer-songwriter”, which describes people like Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen etc.