Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dec 30, 2009 17:07
14 yrs ago
German term
Pörner
German to English
Art/Literary
Zoology
18th century name for plant/animal
This is part of a description of a 1735 Meissen porcelain figurine of a jay sitting on a tree. I can see a squirrel, a beetle and what looks like ivy or maybe mistletoe on the tree.
Einen Eigel gabich poussiret Welcher ins Königl. Ballais gehörig, ist Vorgestellet Wie er auf einem Großen Eigel Ast sitzet, Welcher mit Eigeln und Blättern Starck bewachsen ist, und sich eine Eigel abfrißet Welches sein Futter ist, so sind auch unter schiedliche Raupen, wie auch ein Pörner, welche sich gerne auf den Eigel Bäumen auf halten, daran befindlich“
Einen Eigel gabich poussiret Welcher ins Königl. Ballais gehörig, ist Vorgestellet Wie er auf einem Großen Eigel Ast sitzet, Welcher mit Eigeln und Blättern Starck bewachsen ist, und sich eine Eigel abfrißet Welches sein Futter ist, so sind auch unter schiedliche Raupen, wie auch ein Pörner, welche sich gerne auf den Eigel Bäumen auf halten, daran befindlich“
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stag beetle
According to Grimm, Börner (Pörner) is lucanus cervus, the largest of the beetles of which it is believed that it carries glowing coals in its "antlers" up into thatched roofs, so that it is also called berner (incensor), hausbrenner, feuerwurm, fürböter, scheunenbörner, etc.
According to Google, lucanus cervus is a stag beetle.
So, this would be your beetle.
The tree may be an Eichel (Eigel), which would be a beech (again, according to Grimm)
According to Google, lucanus cervus is a stag beetle.
So, this would be your beetle.
The tree may be an Eichel (Eigel), which would be a beech (again, according to Grimm)
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Christian Schneider
: however I think the tree might be an oak
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Could be an oak. Hard to tell from the description and the spelling.
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: http://maria.fremlin.de/stagbeetles/nomes.html
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Tahnks Johanna, nice link :)
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John Speese
: Don't know all the ins and outs of "old" German, but I too would lean more to oak, also because that's what stag beetle larvae feed on the logs of. And Schroeter or Hirschkaefer would be modern names for the stag beetle.
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Thanks, John. I've not seen oak as Eiche*l*, therefore the beech comment. If stag beetles like oaks, then that certainly makes more sense.
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Monika Elisabeth Sieger
: YEP! Happy New Year!
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Thanks sivara, Guten Rutsch!!
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Dr Lofthouse
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Thanks, hope your New Year is going well.
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Comment: "Many thanks for quick answer (suppose I should have realised that the P should be replaced with a B)."
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