May 15, 2011 14:56
12 yrs ago
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si condizionano a vicenda circolarmente
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Art/Literary
Philosophy
Mysticism
Philosophy of Henri Bergson re: mysticism.
"Il misticismo è, cioè, una presa di contatto diretta con lo sforzo creatore che appartiene a Dio, se non è Dio stesso. 'Scossa nelle sue profundità, l'anima cessa de girare su se stessa sfuggendo per un istante alla legge per cui la specie e l'individuo **si condizionano a vicenda circolarmente.** Si ferma, come se ascoltasse una voce che chiama; poi si lascia portare diritta in avanti. Non percepisce direttamente la forza che la muove, ma ne sente l'indefinibile presenza o la intuisce per mezzo di una visione simbolica. Sopravviene allora una immensità de gioia. Dio è presente ed essa in lui. Non ci sono più misteri; i problemi scompaiono, le oscurità si dissipano, è una illuminazione...' 'Dio è amore e oggetto de amore; tutto l'apporto del misticismo consiste in questo. Di questo duplice amore il mistico non finirà mai di parlare. Ma l'amore divino non è qualcosa di Dio, è Dio stesso.'"
Grazie,
Barbara
"Il misticismo è, cioè, una presa di contatto diretta con lo sforzo creatore che appartiene a Dio, se non è Dio stesso. 'Scossa nelle sue profundità, l'anima cessa de girare su se stessa sfuggendo per un istante alla legge per cui la specie e l'individuo **si condizionano a vicenda circolarmente.** Si ferma, come se ascoltasse una voce che chiama; poi si lascia portare diritta in avanti. Non percepisce direttamente la forza che la muove, ma ne sente l'indefinibile presenza o la intuisce per mezzo di una visione simbolica. Sopravviene allora una immensità de gioia. Dio è presente ed essa in lui. Non ci sono più misteri; i problemi scompaiono, le oscurità si dissipano, è una illuminazione...' 'Dio è amore e oggetto de amore; tutto l'apporto del misticismo consiste in questo. Di questo duplice amore il mistico non finirà mai di parlare. Ma l'amore divino non è qualcosa di Dio, è Dio stesso.'"
Grazie,
Barbara
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May 15, 2011 14:57: Barbara Cochran, MFA changed "Language pair" from "French to English" to "Italian to English"
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the law which demands that the species and the individual should condition one another.
quotation in English in Internet
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Expanded quote , "the soul ceases to revolve round itself and escapes for a moment from the law which demands that the species and the individual should condition one another. It stops, as though to listen to a voice calling. Then it lets itself go, straight onward. It does not directly perceive the force that moves it,
but it feels an indefinable presence or divines it through a symbolic vision. Then comes a boundless joy, an all-absorbing ecstasy or an enthralling rapture: God is there, and the soul is in God. Mystery is no more. Problems vanish, darkness is
dispelled; everything is flooded with light. (219)"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-15 17:46:30 GMT)
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Thanks for the compliment, Barbara! Just curious to find out who Bergson was and what he said, and had the luck of stumbling on the right piece of writing!
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-05-15 16:20:28 GMT)
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Expanded quote , "the soul ceases to revolve round itself and escapes for a moment from the law which demands that the species and the individual should condition one another. It stops, as though to listen to a voice calling. Then it lets itself go, straight onward. It does not directly perceive the force that moves it,
but it feels an indefinable presence or divines it through a symbolic vision. Then comes a boundless joy, an all-absorbing ecstasy or an enthralling rapture: God is there, and the soul is in God. Mystery is no more. Problems vanish, darkness is
dispelled; everything is flooded with light. (219)"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-15 17:46:30 GMT)
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Thanks for the compliment, Barbara! Just curious to find out who Bergson was and what he said, and had the luck of stumbling on the right piece of writing!
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Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot. You're obviously much better at research than I am! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks again."
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3 mins
Thomas Roberts
Native in Italian
&
English
Specializes in field
Multilingual academic lawyer
Native in: English (Variant: Scottish) , Italian
Works in: Italian to English, German to English, French to English, and 3 more.
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condition one another reciprocally
reciprocally renders the concept of "circularly" in English in this context.
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James (Jim) Davis
: What I would have posted.
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Thanks Jim. A blast from the past this question, and what a relief I don't have to read guys like this any more.
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Tom in London
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Architecture, design, technical, etc.
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Italian to English
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28
both influence each other
try this
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darwilliam
: was going to be my guess, yes that's the way I'd put it.
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thanks - it's more simple and succinct.
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Amanda Jane Lowles
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James (Jim) Davis
: I feel that influence is too casual, too weak here.
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Thomas Roberts
: I would go with Jim: influencing and conditioning are different concepts.
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Debora Grosso
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in Italian
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Philosophy, Philology specialist.
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English
determine one another without solution of continuity
'without solution of continuity' with reference to the causal (circular )
line that normally links species and individuals.
line that normally links species and individuals.
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Danila Moro
Italy
Italy
Native in Italian
Works in field
Italy
Master's Degree in Psychology
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, German to Italian, Italian
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4
influence each other in a cyclical way
Intimacy and identity may continue to influence each other in a cyclical way, with advances in identity development promoting deeper intimacy and deeper intimacy leading to further identity consolidation.
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072491418/student_vie...
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072491418/student_vie...
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...are in a perfect harmony...
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