Dec 8, 2012 22:19
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English term

AS Levels and Welsh Baccalaureate

English to Greek Other Education / Pedagogy Letter confirming studies
The term appears in a letter confirming that a student is studying the above (to be sent to the Greek Embassy).
It is a simple sentence: "xxx is student at our college and studying AS Levels and Welsh Baccalaureate".
They are specific qualifications and I am wondering whether they should remain in English or translated in Greek and if the latter applies, do you know how they would be translated?
Many thanks.
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Discussion

transphy Dec 10, 2012:
Anything which we are not familiar with, is complicated. I suppose, for me, the Greek Education System is complicated!!!
The following is a synopsis of the English Educational qualification levels.
1.At end of 2ndary School-(16yrs. old) GCSE exams(they will soon be replaced by
OL (Ordinary Level of General Cert. of Ed. which was mostly used before
the GCSE- and the Baccalaureate. That's what I took in my time.
2.At College or 7th. form of 2ndary- AS/A -levels to qualify for University
( I did A-levels in my time) before University.These belong to the GCE.
Genneral Certificate of Education.
3. University
Simple!!!
Pinelopi Ntokmetzioglou (asker) Dec 10, 2012:
Thank you.
I wish the UK education system wasn't so complicated... :-)
transphy Dec 10, 2012:
@ Penelopi
Look in http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/education/school/system...
Ην. Βασ., Ουαλία, Σκοτ., Β.Ιρλ.
4.2.Carriculum, assessment and qualifications
Academic(general) Courses
2η παρ.
Note; Scotland MAY HAVE DIFFERENCES, AS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS, SOMETIMES.
transphy Dec 10, 2012:
I suggest you use the English 'AS-επιπέδου χωρίς φόβο. (Μελετά- παρακολουθεί μαθήματα ΑS-επιπέδου.....)
transphy Dec 10, 2012:
Penelopi I am in London, and my grandson finished Secondary School, here, in Dorset. Secondary Schools prepare and send 16 yr.olds to different 'Matriculation Boards'. Normal sdudents of 16 (exclude genii) take the G.C.S.E
(General Certificate of Secondary Education) which is a LOW level Shool finishing exam. AND ALONE ARE NOT UNIVERSITY QUALIFYING EXAMS. My grandson took 11 subjects at G.C.S.E. These do NOT qualify him to enter Uni. Last year he took only English Literature at AS-level. This level is much more Advanced from the basic G.C.S.E. but NOT AS Advanced as the ADVANCED LEVEL A-level. Above the A-level is the A*-Level, that only brighter students take. Each of the HIGHER levels carry certain, what they call UCAS(University and Colleges Admission Service) POINTS.
What we are concerned here, however, is the AS-level, which you were told, ** "the AS Levels are the first year results of the 2 years course leading to the British entrance qualifications for Higher Education." It is NOT, CATEGORIGALLY SO, TRUE. A-levels ARE NOT NECESSARILY 2-YEAR COURSES. There are students who can do 3 and 4 subjects IN ONE YEAR.
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Pinelopi Ntokmetzioglou (asker) Dec 10, 2012:
I have been doing some research and asked some native speakers who specialise in the field and was told that "the AS Levels are the first year results of the 2 years course leading to the British entrance qualifications for Higher Education."
Also here http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/education/school/system...
"...πρώτο χρόνο του διετούς προπαρασκευαστικού προγράμματος για τις εξετάσεις "A levels" που αποτελούν προϋπόθεση για την εισαγωγή στα βρετανικά πανεπιστήμια."
transphy Dec 10, 2012:
Ofcourse NOT Subordinate.!!! I meant to say SUBSIDIARY, as given before in my answer. I corrected it.
So, would you then write, '...το κατώτερο επίπεδο του προχωρημένου επιπέδου';;;;
Τhe AS-exam is a legitimate and separate exam IN ITS OWN RIGHT. It is not of a lower standard to ANY OF THE HIGHER levels. There are Exams AT VARIOUS LEVELS and AS-level is one of these exams.
However, it's NOT for me to tell, whoever, what Exams they should set for youngsters!!!
Nick Lingris Dec 10, 2012:
AS is actually "Advanced Subsidiary". I know how advanced the levels are. But "advanced" is προχωρημένο. Advanced is at two levels, ανώτερο and κατώτερο. After all, "subsidiary" means "less important", so that's an argument you should take up with the people who keep inventing new names. And, mind you, I have provided the translation for "GCE" (γενικού πιστοποιητικού εκπαίδευσης), not for "CGSE", plus given the original in brackets, so there can be no misunderstanding.
transphy Dec 10, 2012:
@Nick
Nick. Sometimes I have to disagree with you. AS-level is NOT ''κατώτερο επίπεδο''. The name is ADVANCED SUBSIDIARY and, as you know, 'Advanced' is hardly 'κατώτερο'. The Lower-'κατώτερο- Level is called G.C.S.E,(General Certificate of Secondary Education) like I explained. They change qualifications and 'Levels' all the time. They are now going to abolish G.C.S.E. IN ENGLAND, and replace it WITH THE EUROPEAN Baccalaureate. But the Engl(anders), hardly change easily, and when they change they like to try it first in Scotland or Wales. The 'Baccalaureate' is, now, being tried in Wales. AS-level is quite Advanced, believe me. My grandson had, last year, taken AS English Literature which was really high level. In my time, there was the A-Level with A*-level, which still exist. That's what we had to have to go to Uni., apart from the OL= ordinary level, which they want to generally bring in instead of G.C.S.E., together with a CHOICE for Baccalaureate.
ALSO the AS-level is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT qualification from the Baccalaureate.

Proposed translations

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AS-επιπέδου και Ουαλικού μπακαλοριατ

It is written as AS-Level ADVANCED SUBSIDIARY Level, which is a slightly LOWER level than the ADVANCED Level (A-level) which, later, counts as University Entrance Qualifications.
The 'Baccalaureate' is a course of subjects modeled, mainly, on European(the English talk of 'Continental'=European), mainly the French type of exams, which will supercede the now G.C.S.E (General Certificate of Secondary Education) that 16 yr. olds take, to progress on to AS or A-level courses.
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εξετάσεις του γενικού πιστοποιητικού εκπαίδευσης στο κατώτερο επίπεδο ...

Θα επέλεγα μια αρκετά φλύαρη ελληνική περιγραφή που θα περιλάμβανε το αγγλικό σε παρένθεση:
...για τις εξετάσεις του γενικού πιστοποιητικού εκπαίδευσης στο κατώτερο επίπεδο (GCE AS-level) και το Ουαλικό Μπακαλορεά (Welsh Baccalaureate)
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