Jan 6, 2013 16:09
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Russian term
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Native in: English 
Works in: Russian to English, English, Ukrainian to English
просечка между этикетками
Russian to English
Tech/Engineering
Paper / Paper Manufacturing
beer labels
This is a document about standards for labels on beer bottles, in particular for the rolls on which the labels are supplied. So it has lots of stuff about permissible tolerances and packaging, but this requirement comes right at the beginning.
Этикетки поставляются в рулонах. На общем полотне просечка между этикетками наносится строго на толщину этикеточного материала.
просечка could be "cut-out", which I would take to be the outline shape of the label. It doesn't occur again. There is also another phrase used for the separation between labels - расстояние между этикетками в рулоне (шаг этикетки), so this must be something different.
Any suggestions welcome!
Этикетки поставляются в рулонах. На общем полотне просечка между этикетками наносится строго на толщину этикеточного материала.
просечка could be "cut-out", which I would take to be the outline shape of the label. It doesn't occur again. There is also another phrase used for the separation between labels - расстояние между этикетками в рулоне (шаг этикетки), so this must be something different.
Any suggestions welcome!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | die-cut |
Michael Moskowitz
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| 5 +2 | slits |
Kiwiland Bear
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| 4 +1 | perforation |
Newgy
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| 4 | punching between labels |
Vaddy Peters
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| 4 | groove between labels |
Vladyslav Golovaty
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| 3 -1 | stitch |
Nikolai Muraviev
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Proposed translations
1 day 5 hrs
Michael Moskowitz
Native in Russian
&
English
Works in field
Translating since 1984.
Native in: English 
, Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, Ukrainian to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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7
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die-cut
The labels are die-cut, especially the funny-shaped ones. So the requirement here is to the "die-cut depth not to exceed the label thickness", so as not to damage the backing material
Note from asker:
| This is an interesting suggestion. I had in mind that the labels were on the roll separately without any spare (waste) paper, but I suppose they might be cut on the roll (before rolling) and the spare paper removed. |
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I didn't have time to use this, and I'm not happy with между to mean "around", but it makes more sense than anything else!"
1 hr
punching between labels
Stamp Book & Stamps | Club Penguin
www.clubpenguin.com/... -
11 Jan 2012 – Arts & Crafts: Stamp Book & Stamps ... Use the hole punch to put 2 or 3 holes at the folded end. Tie all the papers together with string or ribbon.
www.clubpenguin.com/... -
11 Jan 2012 – Arts & Crafts: Stamp Book & Stamps ... Use the hole punch to put 2 or 3 holes at the folded end. Tie all the papers together with string or ribbon.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Nikolai Muraviev
: punch - по-моему, это вырубка, когда изделие (коробка, этикетка) вырубается из листового материала. Возможно, я неправ
1 hr
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| neutral |
Kiwiland Bear
: Your example description doesn't fit what's being asked for. It doesn't even sound like a term to me, more like a description of (possibly oversized) stappler.
1 day 3 hrs
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-1
23 mins
Nikolai Muraviev
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Works in field
Russian Federation
Translator since 1996
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Russian
stitch
В полиграфии. Ститчер - машинка для вырубки.
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Note added at 24 мин (2013-01-06 16:33:16 GMT)
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ститчер = stitcher
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Note added at 2 час (2013-01-06 18:49:08 GMT)
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To David. I am not 100% sure, perhaps it is so. You are right, the labels are not cut off, they are just peeled off before being applied to the bottles.
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Note added at 24 мин (2013-01-06 16:33:16 GMT)
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ститчер = stitcher
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Note added at 2 час (2013-01-06 18:49:08 GMT)
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To David. I am not 100% sure, perhaps it is so. You are right, the labels are not cut off, they are just peeled off before being applied to the bottles.
Note from asker:
| Thanks Nikolai - is it possibly a "notch" marking the pitch (шаг) of the labels, to calibrate the equipment? I don't think the labels are cut off - rather they are peeled off and applied to the bottles. |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Kiwiland Bear
: Sorry - no. Stitcher is used to stitch things together, usually folds of paper or other product components. Yes, in the process it does cut or punch holes through, but that is done only to facilitate the stitching itself.
1 day 3 hrs
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Yes, you are right! I'm wrong.
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+1
2 hrs
perforation
gap, notch, line, perforation
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-01-06 19:07:09 GMT)
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Перфорация - это просечка ножом на бумаге штрихов линии отрыва. Благодаря перфорации изделие легко и ровно может быть разорвано или сложено.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2013-01-06 19:13:04 GMT)
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A perforation is a small hole in a thin material or web. The process of creating perforations is called perforating, which involves puncturing the workpiece with a tool.
Perforations are usually used to allow easy separation of two sections of the material, such as allowing paper to be torn easily along the line.
Wikipedia
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-01-06 19:07:09 GMT)
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Перфорация - это просечка ножом на бумаге штрихов линии отрыва. Благодаря перфорации изделие легко и ровно может быть разорвано или сложено.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2013-01-06 19:13:04 GMT)
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A perforation is a small hole in a thin material or web. The process of creating perforations is called perforating, which involves puncturing the workpiece with a tool.
Perforations are usually used to allow easy separation of two sections of the material, such as allowing paper to be torn easily along the line.
Wikipedia
Example sentence:
perforated labels, labels with perforation
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Galyna Algar
13 hrs
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Thank you!
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| neutral |
Kiwiland Bear
: Не совсем. Это серия штрихов или отверстий (как на старых марках с перфо краем). Этикетки обычно выглядят и делаются не так - там сплошной и ровный прорез. ЕСЛИ это перфорированая этикетка, с перфо-гранью/краем - тогда да, Вы правы.
1 day 1 hr
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21 hrs
Vladyslav Golovaty
Ukraine
Ukraine
Native in Russian
&
English
Ukraine
a top-rank. native English-Ukrainian-Rus
Native in: English (Variant: US) , Ukrainian (Variant: Standard-Ukraine) , Russian
Works in: English to Ukrainian, Ukrainian to English, Russian to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
groove between labels
просечка - отверстие, сделанное просеканием; разрыв, разрез (groove - LingvoPolygraph. dictionary) да-да, паз, но в полиграфии
просечка -и ; 1) к просечь - просекать . Просечка картона. Просечка отверстий. 2) Отверстие, сделанное просеканием; разрез, разрыв. Просечка в ткани. просечной штамп - dinking die
просекать 1. Делать отверстие, нарушать целость ударом чего-либо острого; пробивать.
просекаться 1. Расползаться, разрываясь по нитке, образовывать дыры (о ткани) .
просечка -и ; 1) к просечь - просекать . Просечка картона. Просечка отверстий. 2) Отверстие, сделанное просеканием; разрез, разрыв. Просечка в ткани. просечной штамп - dinking die
просекать 1. Делать отверстие, нарушать целость ударом чего-либо острого; пробивать.
просекаться 1. Расползаться, разрываясь по нитке, образовывать дыры (о ткани) .
Example sentence:
Не путать со throughcut, break, breakthrough, notching
e.g.: он сразу просек, в чём дело — he figured out immediately what it was all about
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Kiwiland Bear
: Ну уж "просек в чем дело" как-бэ не совсем из той оперы. Хотя идея конечно забавная :-)
6 hrs
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+2
1 day 4 hrs
Kiwiland Bear
New Zealand
New Zealand
Native in Russian
Works in field
New Zealand
Translation with excellence
Native in: Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, French to English, and 3 more.
slits
First, the reason for confidence: 7 years experience working for a multinational software supplier for the cardboard, packaging, paper corrugating industry. I still have occasional nightmares with carboard boxes, lids, partitions, pads, folds etc chasing me across dictionary pages :-)
Anyway, what you are after is called "slits" in the industry. This is what separates sheets of paper, esp. labels and stickers, in a roll.
You may also be interested in another term - "crease". This is similar but is used not for rolls (bales) of paper but for folded flat stack instead.
Another (technological) difference between the two is the tools used - knife/blade for slits and press or roller for creases. The two steps usually are done at the same stage in manufacturing process which is not surprisingly called slitting/creasing. Often done on the same, combined machine with the only difference being the tools used.
Hope that helps.
Anyway, what you are after is called "slits" in the industry. This is what separates sheets of paper, esp. labels and stickers, in a roll.
You may also be interested in another term - "crease". This is similar but is used not for rolls (bales) of paper but for folded flat stack instead.
Another (technological) difference between the two is the tools used - knife/blade for slits and press or roller for creases. The two steps usually are done at the same stage in manufacturing process which is not surprisingly called slitting/creasing. Often done on the same, combined machine with the only difference being the tools used.
Hope that helps.
Note from asker:
| Thanks KB! I'm not sure you're right though here... The labels are self-adhesive and I think are peeled off the backing strip and applied to the bottles, so there is no slitting or cutting involved. After staring at this for a long time, I decided that it was simply saying that there should not be any overlap between the labels, but there should be a clear gap at right-angles to the edges of the backing strip. Given the funny shapes (for neck labels for example) that's by no means obvious. So you could cut them, but you don't in this case. Anyway, I used the word "separation", although I'm not happy with the clarity of my sentence. I daresay there are some calibration notches in the roll, but they weren't obvious. I also decided that толщина meant "width" here. |
| Thanks for your answer - it was the first one to start to get to grips with my problem! I think Michael M's notion of the labels being die-cut and the cutting needing to be precise could be right though. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Vladyslav Golovaty
: шлиц; to slit an envelope open вскрывать конверт (ножом для разрезания бумаги)
23 mins
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| agree |
cyhul
1 day 12 hrs
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