Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

herkunftsgesichert

English translation:

traceable

Added to glossary by Ramey Rieger (X)
Mar 2, 2015 09:51
9 yrs ago
German term

herkunftsgesichert

German to English Other Agriculture GMO-free soya
Good morning honored Colleagues!
This is an interesting term and I would appreciate your help in translating it. I haven't found a satisfying translation in the dics or KOG, although Linguee provides 'source identified' as a not-so-elegant option. I would love to find a term that includes 'secure' in some form. Source secure or source guaranteed or guarantee of origin or origin ensured, all of which fail to provide the 'feel' of a term that sounds both natural and long-established.
The initiative, by the way, is supported by Greenpeace, WWF, BUND, etc. and is, in my opinion very much worth an appealing, excellent translation:

Um dieser Herausforderung wirkungsvoll zu begegnen, hat sich ausgehend von Österreich die Initiative Donau Soja gebildet: Donau Soja fördert den Anbau von Qualitäts¬soja in der Donauregion – als Basis für eine qualitativ hochwertige, herkunftsgesicherte und gentechnikfreie Futtermittel- und Lebensmittelproduktion. Und leistet damit einen wichtigen Beitrag für eine eigenständige europäische Eiweißversorgung.

Nun bin ich sehr gespannt!
References
heritage-sourced?

Discussion

Yorkshireman Mar 2, 2015:
@Edith :-) I prefer splitting off big lumps of it and grilling or frying them. Just cut off the horns and hooves and skin it and I can find plenty to do with what's left.
Edith Kelly Mar 2, 2015:
Yorkshireman at least beef has hair that one can split. Soy does not. Another difference.
Yorkshireman Mar 2, 2015:
Beef and soy I don't like to beef about your suggestion, but a look through the Google hits reveals that source-verified applies almost exclusively to beef - and source-identified to seed.

That said, source-identified could well apply to soy/soya itself, but in the form of feedstuffs manufactured from source-identified soy
Wendy Streitparth Mar 2, 2015:
With Michael: source-verified.
Michael Martin, MA Mar 2, 2015:
With Edith with a slight modification perhaps: "source-verified"
Ramey Rieger (X) (asker) Mar 2, 2015:
I appreciate it Edith! Source-identified is certainly the official translation, and please feel free to enter it as a suggestion so it comes in the KOG. It would be interesting to see how many colleagues consider it a viable translation in this context.
Edith Kelly Mar 2, 2015:
Up to you, Ramey actually, I do not see what you mean. Anyway I did not post it as an answer. I simply wanted to point out the "official" EU version. I suppose your text simply "stole" the expression.
Ramey Rieger (X) (asker) Mar 2, 2015:
Good morning Edith and thank you! What 'source-identified' lacks, in a Marketing or Web presentation context, is the 'origin' loophole which I am trying to close. Source-identified means where the end product came from, but does not necessarily indicate where the origin of the end product, i.e. seeds, comes from. Do you see what I mean?
Edith Kelly Mar 2, 2015:
and here the same in German so the term is not new, it existed in 1999
EUR-Lex - 31999L0105 - EN - EUR-Lex
eur-lex.europa.eu › EUROPA › EU law and publications › EUR-Lex
(10) In einigen Mitgliedstaaten ist die Verwendung von forstlichem Vermehrungsgut der Kategorie "herkunftsgesichert", die nach der Richtlinie 66/404/EWG für ...
Edith Kelly Mar 2, 2015:
this is the official EU version source-identified
Council Directive 1999/105/EC - EUR-Lex - Europa
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?...
Ramey Rieger (X) (asker) Mar 2, 2015:
Trademarked, too That's a pity. But I'm sure we can some up with something equally elegant.
freekfluweel Mar 2, 2015:
truetrace alas, already used by Ingredion

http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2014/11/ingredion...

Proposed translations

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traceable

http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/german-meat-c...

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genuinely

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genuinely traceable

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btw, freek is short for frederik! Do like the "Mi-part"!

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truly traceable

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yours truly traceable DoNow Soya ;-)
Note from asker:
Many thanks, Milady! How about a nice adjective? Positively traceable? perfectly traceable?
SO SORRY Frederik! for some reason I thought you were female! Thank you Milord! (I am usually addressed as Sir)
Peer comment(s):

agree Dr Lofthouse
8 hrs
Thanks!
agree Peter Keegan : This is my favorite!
1 day 22 hrs
Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you all so very much! I have listed all the options and sent them to the client. My personal favorite is truly traceable, which is why I am awarding points to Frederik. It is never easy finding original and understandable terminology, but worth the effort!"
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from a genetically secure source

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Peer comment(s):

agree gangels (X) : simple and to the point
6 hrs
Thanks, gangels!
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+2
54 mins

controlled designation of origin

Like DOC for Italian wines
Note from asker:
Thank you Yorkshireman, a very viable option!
Peer comment(s):

agree Gudrun Wolfrath : of controlled origin
32 mins
Thanks Gudrun - auch gut!
agree John Speese : Or like the French appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC)/protégée (AOP)
2 hrs
Precisement! (if there is such a word)
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Reference comments

15 hrs
Reference:

heritage-sourced?

This is what I was thinking, but it gets no hits on a Google search...

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I was going to post this as a comment. Something went amiss...
Note from asker:
Hi Bill, You just hit the wrong tab. I could really care less about Google hits. People don't hire me to render the common translation, I have to really work for my money - and I LOVE it!
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