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English translation: Give S.O. comfort / Have some comfort

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English term or phrase:Have/Give Comfore
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Entered by: juliakate

04:34 Jan 3, 2016
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English term or phrase: Have/Give Comfore
In English, is it grammatically correct to say

"I have comfort"

Or must you find another verb as in "I take comfort" or "I find comfort"?
juliakate
Local time: 05:47
Give S.O. comfort / Have some comfort
Explanation:
The reason why we use this as a noun in this way:"To give S.O. comfort" is because this is an expression. The person being comforted would then either "take" or "draw" comfort from the giver.

Bear in mind also that "comfort" is an uncountable noun, and is not used with an indefinite article. The rules of uncountable nouns are stated in this link:
https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/nouns-countable-un.htm

As you will see, you can use "some comfort"

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As Tony comment's below, using "have" with comfort is used in specific contexts. I would say it is used often for emphasis in this way.. Although "have comfort in knowing" something is a very commonly used expression.

"We know nothing will ever be the same again but at least now WE HAVE SOME COMFORT in knowing that we have the security provided by the settlement."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyclist-who-suffered-li...

"Reality TV is not an area in which I have much comfort."
http://thenextfamily.com/2015/01/a-gay-dad-sounds-off-on-my-...

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TYPO

Above should read "have SOME comfort" - though this may be something that comes down to colloquial usage rather than grammatical correctness.
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Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:47
Grading comment
Thanks to all, but I chose Lara's response because I think that "have/give" comfort is, in fact, correct gramatically, depending on the context.
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4 +5have comfort is grammatically wrong
Yasutomo Kanazawa
4Give S.O. comfort / Have some comfort
Lara Barnett


Discussion entries: 12





  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
have/give comfore
have comfort is grammatically wrong


Explanation:
As you wrote above, you must either say I take comfort or I find comfort. Have comfort is not grammatically correct usage.

Or you can say "in comfort"

The only usage close to "have comfort" is in the following Shakespeare's sonnet.

Two loves I have of comfort and despair,
Which like two spirits do suggest me still;

http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/144.html



Yasutomo Kanazawa
Japan
Local time: 19:47
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M
1 hr
  -> Thank you very much, Tony!

agree  Jack Doughty
2 hrs
  -> Thank you very much, Jack!

agree  Charles Davis: I think "grammatically wrong" is going too far (depending on what one means by "grammatical"). It's possible and was current not very long ago but has fallen out of use.
4 hrs
  -> Thank you very much for your comment.

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: agree with CD. Also "have some comfort in knowing..."is OK in specific contexts
6 hrs
  -> Thank you very much for your comment.

agree  Edith Kelly
12 hrs
  -> Thank you very much!

disagree  B D Finch: It is not always wrong and there is nothing grammatically wrong with it. See my discussion comment above.
1 day 5 hrs

agree  Jean-Claude Gouin: Very good, Yasutomo-san ...
1 day 21 hrs
  -> Thank you very much, 1045-san!
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
have/give comfore
Give S.O. comfort / Have some comfort


Explanation:
The reason why we use this as a noun in this way:"To give S.O. comfort" is because this is an expression. The person being comforted would then either "take" or "draw" comfort from the giver.

Bear in mind also that "comfort" is an uncountable noun, and is not used with an indefinite article. The rules of uncountable nouns are stated in this link:
https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/nouns-countable-un.htm

As you will see, you can use "some comfort"

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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-01-03 08:22:19 GMT)
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As Tony comment's below, using "have" with comfort is used in specific contexts. I would say it is used often for emphasis in this way.. Although "have comfort in knowing" something is a very commonly used expression.

"We know nothing will ever be the same again but at least now WE HAVE SOME COMFORT in knowing that we have the security provided by the settlement."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyclist-who-suffered-li...

"Reality TV is not an area in which I have much comfort."
http://thenextfamily.com/2015/01/a-gay-dad-sounds-off-on-my-...

"

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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-01-03 08:23:57 GMT)
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TYPO

Above should read "have SOME comfort" - though this may be something that comes down to colloquial usage rather than grammatical correctness.

Example sentence(s):
  • "I tried to offer a few words of comfort."
  • "I'd love to make contacts before I go so I have some comfort when I am at the other side of the world."

    Reference: http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english...
    Reference: http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=104675
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Grading comment
Thanks to all, but I chose Lara's response because I think that "have/give" comfort is, in fact, correct gramatically, depending on the context.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for a thoughtful response, with many useful ideas. You can use "comfort" with a definite/indefinite article, but its usage is restricted to certain contexts. Thanks again, much appreciated!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: I don't think your suggestion of 'have some comfort' is correct either (except possibly in certain very specific contexts).
14 mins
  -> I meant phrases such as "We have some comfort in knowing" http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyclist-who-suffered-li...

neutral  Tina Vonhof (X): It sounds strange in the mirror article as well. I would say "We take some comfort from knowing...."
16 hrs

neutral  B D Finch: '... "comfort" is an uncountable noun, and is not used with an indefinite article' - Wrong! E.g. Home comforts. That is a comfort to me.
1 day 4 hrs
  -> Yes, but in the abstract sense that the asker is talking about, it is uncountable. i.e. "to give comfort"
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