Apr 22, 2016 04:36
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Russian term
Translations that read like originals
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, French to English
информационные «смыслы»
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С одной стороны, компания «хромых уток», в которую незаметно превратилась «блистательная семерка», нуждается, чтобы рядом с ними появился человек, который реально способен принимать жесткие политические и международные решения и эффективно их реализовывать. А не только создавать информационные «смыслы», раздувать их до масштабов региональной гуманитарной катастрофы, а затем признавать, что кто-то что-то недодумал и ошибся, и, вероятно, искренне считать, что сделал хороший пиар-ход.
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| talking points / newsbreaks / injects |
Natalie
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media talking points
imho it's OK for this passage, but not sure about the rest of the text.
Note from asker:
| This gives a satisfactory meaning in context, though the normal term is информационные поводы. Perhaps this means the same thing. Anyway, I've used this translation. Many thanks, I'll award points anon. |
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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Oleg Lozinskiy
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Works in field
Russian Federation
There's No Limit to Perfection
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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243
(mass) media significancies
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informational meanings
По идее, «информационные смыслы» — это калька с английского.
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Note added at 52 mins (2016-04-22 05:29:31 GMT)
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Ссылка в помощь:
FoundationsOfIntonationalMeaning_2015.pdf - Mozilla Firefox
http://gep.ruhosting.nl/carlos/FoundationsOfIntonationalMean...
ЦИТАТА:
In summary, the meanings of paralinguistic forms are grounded in anatomi-
cal and physiological effects, range widely over `affective' and `informational'
meanings, and are non-arbitrary, although speech communities may fine-tune
meanings or have different preferences where interpretations of the various
codes are in competition.
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Note added at 54 mins (2016-04-22 05:31:07 GMT)
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Ссылка в помощь:
ИДИОМАТИЧЕСКИЕ И ИНДИВИДУАЛЬНЫЕ ОСОБЕННОСТИ АНГЛИЙСКИХ ИНФОРМАТИВНО-НАСЫЩЕННЫХ ГЛАГОЛОВ | sibac.info
http://sibac.info/conf/philolog/xlviii/42162
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:33:00 GMT)
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Re: In your own words, what does "informational meanings" mean?
I think it means dry, unemotional meaning.
Here’s another article:
art%3A10.3758%2FBF03327916.pdf
http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/474/art%3A10.3758%2F...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:34:52 GMT)
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This google link might be helpful, too:
"affective meaning" "informational meaning"
https://www.google.com/search?q="affective meaning" "informa...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:35:32 GMT)
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Actually, I might easily be mistaken.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2016-04-22 09:39:56 GMT)
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Sorry, I cannot provide a better explanation.
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Note added at 52 mins (2016-04-22 05:29:31 GMT)
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Ссылка в помощь:
FoundationsOfIntonationalMeaning_2015.pdf - Mozilla Firefox
http://gep.ruhosting.nl/carlos/FoundationsOfIntonationalMean...
ЦИТАТА:
In summary, the meanings of paralinguistic forms are grounded in anatomi-
cal and physiological effects, range widely over `affective' and `informational'
meanings, and are non-arbitrary, although speech communities may fine-tune
meanings or have different preferences where interpretations of the various
codes are in competition.
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Note added at 54 mins (2016-04-22 05:31:07 GMT)
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Ссылка в помощь:
ИДИОМАТИЧЕСКИЕ И ИНДИВИДУАЛЬНЫЕ ОСОБЕННОСТИ АНГЛИЙСКИХ ИНФОРМАТИВНО-НАСЫЩЕННЫХ ГЛАГОЛОВ | sibac.info
http://sibac.info/conf/philolog/xlviii/42162
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:33:00 GMT)
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Re: In your own words, what does "informational meanings" mean?
I think it means dry, unemotional meaning.
Here’s another article:
art%3A10.3758%2FBF03327916.pdf
http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/474/art%3A10.3758%2F...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:34:52 GMT)
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This google link might be helpful, too:
"affective meaning" "informational meaning"
https://www.google.com/search?q="affective meaning" "informa...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-04-22 08:35:32 GMT)
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Actually, I might easily be mistaken.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2016-04-22 09:39:56 GMT)
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Sorry, I cannot provide a better explanation.
Note from asker:
| In your own words, what does "informational meanings" mean? I'm English, and to me it makes no sense whatsoever; it may even be tautological! |
| Thanks for your added notes. Yes, I see that it has some kind of meaning in applied linguistics, but I find it hard to see what it would mean in my context; the suggestion in your first note might be right, but I'll take it as an educated guess unless you can support it! |
5 hrs
slogans
Basically, hands on management is needed, rather than management by slogans. I wouldn't translate what sounds like 'man in the pub' text too literally
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Denis Zabelin
Belarus
Belarus
Native in Russian
Belarus
professional and reliable
Native in: Belarusian 
, Russian
Works in: Spanish to Russian, English to Russian, English to Spanish, and 7 more.
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newsworthy "matters"/"facts"
My take in this context.
1 day 14 hrs
Rachel Douglas
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: English (Variants: Australian, US, British)
Works in: Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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212
media memes
It's a guess, but I wonder if the author had "memes" in mind, insofar as this term has come to mean not only visual images online, but sometimes any time of "notion" that is spread, and also there doesn't seem to be a fixed Russian way of expressing it, other than "мем".
Is the article, by any chance, a cynical discussion of the G-7 and the refugee crisis in Europe?
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Note added at 1 day14 hrs (2016-04-23 18:38:11 GMT)
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Correction: "any kind" not "any time."
Is the article, by any chance, a cynical discussion of the G-7 and the refugee crisis in Europe?
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Note added at 1 day14 hrs (2016-04-23 18:38:11 GMT)
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Correction: "any kind" not "any time."
1 day 18 hrs
Viachaslau
Sweden
Sweden
Native in Russian
Sweden
Russian translator in Stockholm
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia) , Belarusian
Works in: English to Russian, Swedish to Russian, Norwegian to Russian, and 4 more.
manufacture media discourse(s)
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Reference comments
2 days 6 hrs
Reference:
talking points / newsbreaks / injects
In this context "talking points" would be fine, however, if you need "информационные поводы", please see:
http://marketch.ru/marketing_dictionary/marketing_terms_i/ne... (the glossary is for marketing, but the meaning is the same as in political context)
More info:
http://iands.ru/technologists/information_excuses.php
What about "смыслы" ("substitution of meaning"), you may want to take a look also at http://psyfactor.org/psyops/mediawar2.htm
http://marketch.ru/marketing_dictionary/marketing_terms_i/ne... (the glossary is for marketing, but the meaning is the same as in political context)
More info:
http://iands.ru/technologists/information_excuses.php
What about "смыслы" ("substitution of meaning"), you may want to take a look also at http://psyfactor.org/psyops/mediawar2.htm
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