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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

artigianale

English translation:

artisan

Added to glossary by ulvaferry
May 27, 2016 08:14
8 yrs ago
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Italian term

artigianale

Italian to English Other Food & Drink non-industrial food products
For years, when describing food/beverage made by "master" bakers, ice cream makers, etc., to distinguish is from the same type of product made with "industrial"methods, I have always translated artigianale as artisan (with the exclusion of beer, which is craft beer).
However, I recently have found the word artisanal used on the web to desribe such products..... any suggestions, please?
Proposed translations (English)
4 artisan
References
artisan bread -----------------------...
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Discussion

Eileen Cartoon May 30, 2016:
I stand corrected thanks, all. I checked out your links and I do stand corrected.
ulvaferry (asker) May 29, 2016:
Hi Eileen - thanks for your contribution, but if you Google craft beer, you'll find several autoritative definitions of the beverage and who brews it that don't match your theory...
Wendy Streitparth May 28, 2016:
Craft beer is definitely not just limited to home-brew, Eileen. The expression is even fairly common in Germany. Take a look at the www!
Eileen Cartoon May 28, 2016:
my 2 cents about beer I really think there is a difference between craft beer and artisan beer. I think craft beer is the beer you make yourself, at home; often purchasing a kit of some sort, whereas artisan beer is made by a small or micro cottage industry
James (Jim) Davis May 28, 2016:
@Phil If you had been an Elizabethan actor, I bet you could have simplified Will's original there :))
philgoddard May 28, 2016:
Thanks!
We watch lots of British TV on YouTube, as I expect you do.
James (Jim) Davis May 28, 2016:
@Phil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart_Crow Probably unavailable in US but much ado about cod-pieces in episode 3, "The Apparel proclaimeth the man"

Haven't smoked anything whatsoever in nigh on twenty years, but I think it comes out of my ears on rare very angry occasions.
ulvaferry (asker) May 27, 2016:
I have no doubts re craft beer, Oliver..... that's what the large majority of the folk who brew it call it..... try Googling (over 21,000,000 results, compared to just over 100,000 for artisan beer....)
philgoddard May 27, 2016:
I Googled your thing about codpieces ... but was none the wiser, and decided you must have been smoking something :-)
James (Jim) Davis May 27, 2016:
I wouldn't even know how to pronounce artisanal, although the mind boggles. English is full of nouns used as adjectives, a car door, a race horse, a love story, a football, a dance floor, a record shop, a cookbook, a shoe-lace, a door handle, and an artisan loaf of bread. Course I wouldn't buy it because it sounds fake (cf comment on cod-pieces), but not because it sounds odd linguistically.
philgoddard May 27, 2016:
That's funny I think "artisan food" sounds slightly odd, and "artisanal food" sounds better because you expect an adjective. "Artisan" gets more hits, but "artisanal" is perfectly OK in my opinion. It just shows how subjective these things can be. You can use either.
Andrew Bramhall May 27, 2016:
@ Ulvaferry "For years, when describing food/beverage made by "master" bakers, ice cream makers, etc., to distinguish is from the same type of product made with "industrial"methods, I have always translated artigianale as artisan (with the exclusion of beer, which is craft beer)." ABSOLUTELY CORRECT;
Andrew Bramhall May 27, 2016:
Agree with Jane When it comes to bread, it's ' artisan bread', not ' craft bread', whereas it's definitely ' artisan beer' when produced in micro-breweries;
James (Jim) Davis May 27, 2016:
The question is: do they where cod-pieces as in the upstart crow?
Jane Nizi May 27, 2016:
artisan bread The Oxford dictionary lists both artisan and artisanal as a modifier, but I agree with Isabelle that 'artisanal' sounds odd. With regards to bread, 'artisan' is definitely the most commonly-used term, certainly in the UK anyway.
Isabelle Johnson May 27, 2016:
craft Personally I think that artisanal sounds odd and craft is by far the most widely used term.

Proposed translations

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Selected

artisan

The dictionary says an artisan is - a skilled manual worker, a craftsman and personally I would stay with this. Artisanal sounds slightly odd.
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Reference comments

1 hr
Reference:

artisan bread


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Note added at 2 hrs (2016-05-27 10:59:34 GMT)
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Most definitely:

What is Artisan ice cream?
Quite simply, artisan ice cream is ice cream made by an artisan

http://www.ice-cream.org/content/facts-about-ice-cream
Reference:

http://www.jamieoliver.com/news-and-features/features/artisan-bread/

Note from asker:
Thanks, Wendy! Would you say the same applies to ice cream?
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Yvonne Gallagher : Yes, a noun=adjective. "artisanal" is more the way of doing it rather than the end product
23 hrs
Thanks, Gallagy
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