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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

cuyo importe estafado, se concreta en

English translation:

whose defrauded amount is specified as

    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2017-02-11 12:54:07 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Feb 7, 2017 15:50
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Spanish term

cuyo importe estafado, se concreta en

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general)
This phrase is taken from a court document related to a fraud case and appears several times throughout the document.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 whose defrauded amount is specified as
4 defrauded for a total of

Discussion

Robert Carter Feb 8, 2017:
@Charles Nice explanation there, thanks. I've often felt there is a kind of logic to these punctuation foibles, but I couldn't put my finger on what exactly was going on.
Helen Jane Hadley (asker) Feb 7, 2017:
Señor..., cuyo importe estafado se concreta en xxxEUR, ya que se efectuaron en dos pagos.
I hope that helps!
Charles Davis Feb 7, 2017:
Yes, it's wrong, though there is a reason for it "3.1. Es incorrecto escribir coma entre el sujeto y el verbo de una oración, incluso cuando el sujeto está compuesto de varios elementos separados por comas: *Mis padres, mis tíos, mis abuelos, me felicitaron ayer. Cuando el sujeto es largo, suele hacerse oralmente una pausa antes del comienzo del predicado, pero esta pausa no debe marcarse gráficamente mediante coma: Los alumnos que no hayan entregado el trabajo antes de la fecha fijada por el profesor || suspenderán la asignatura."
http://lema.rae.es/dpd/?key=coma

People put a comma in these cases to reflect a pause.
neilmac Feb 7, 2017:
Agree That errant comma is endemic in Spanish writing. People feel they need to put a comma after the subject and do so will-nilly, as they are unaware of the pertinent usage/syntax rules. And to answer this query properly, we need context. At least let us see the whole sentence, not just a part of it.
Helen Jane Hadley (asker) Feb 7, 2017:
'EMPRESA cuyo importe estafado, se concreta en xxx EUR'

The expression is taken from a list of companies, therefore the sentences that precede and follow are pretty much identical.
Robert Forstag Feb 7, 2017:
Context More context would be helpful here (i.e., the entire sentence, as well as the sentence that precedes and follows it, in at least one instance of use). It also does not look like the comma belongs in the text fragment posted.

Proposed translations

+3
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whose defrauded amount is specified as

Other versions are possible. I don't actually like my first attempt, but that's what it says.

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Note added at 32 mins (2017-02-07 16:22:51 GMT)
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If it's just a list, I might think about using dashes, as follows:
EMPRESA cuyo importe estafado, se concreta en xxx EUR'
->
"COMPANY - amount defrauded - xxx EUR'
Peer comment(s):
agree Eileen Brophy
28 mins
agree veronicaes
1 hr
agree Robert Forstag
8 hrs
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defrauded for a total of

Helen has explained in the discussion box that this company made udue payments twice, and so "se concreta en" is being used here to clarify that the amount shown is the "total" (of those multiple amounts).

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=3319151509
In the United Kingdom, the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) reported that 150 people were defrauded for a total of £8.4 million, an average loss of ...

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/03/14/hackers-typo-tri...
Mar 14, 2016 - Bangladesh Bank told the Financial Times that it was defrauded for a total of $101 million in bogus transfers. The last payment request was for ...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2866592/italys-ecommerce-boom...
Jan 7, 2015 - Published reports suggest thousands of consumers may have been defrauded for a total of around €500,000 of undelivered IT products.
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