Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Türzähler
English translation:
(door-mounted) people / visitor counting system
German term
United States
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Native in: German 
Works in: English to German, German to English
Türzähler
| 3 +4 | People / Visitor counting system |
Jacek Kloskowski
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| 4 +1 | door counters (gate counters) |
Johannes Gleim
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| 2 +1 | door entry figures |
Wendy Streitparth
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Feb 15, 2017 12:31: Lancashireman changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Mar 12, 2017 05:02: Jacek Kloskowski Created KOG entry
Mar 12, 2017 05:03: Jacek Kloskowski changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1966699">Jacek Kloskowski's</a> old entry - "Türzähler"" to ""door-mounted) people / visitor counting system""
Non-PRO (3): writeaway, Björn Vrooman, Lancashireman
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Native in: Polish , English
Works in: English to Polish, Polish to English, Polish, and 1 more.
People / Visitor counting system
http://sensmax.eu/solutions/details/id/visitor-counting-syst...
http://sensmax.eu/solutions/people-counting-system/
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phillee
: People counter
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Yes, that too :)
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BrigitteHilgner
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Thank you
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Johannes Gleim
: This is the translation for "Personenzählsystem" (see next question), sorry. // The German text uses both terms, even being synonymously. There fore the asker needs two terms in English, too.
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I noticed, however they essentialy perform the same function so for consistency I'd keet them both the same, hence my entry.
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writeaway
: this is door counter. the other difficult question is people counter. http://www.irisys.net/retail-door-counter /the door counter is installed to count the (foot) traffic. or count the people. I don't understand the difficulty
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There are many ways to skin the cat. For consistency, I'd keep the same term for both occurences, since essentially it is the same thing. | And so is the people/visitor counting system, which operates by counting foot traffic at all doors.
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philgoddard
: I would take out the redundancy. They don't need two different words for the same thing.
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Thank you, this what i meant. Plus, I do not really not "counting doors" :)
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Kim Metzger
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Thank you :)
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Melanie Meyer
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Germany
45 years experience
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
door entry figures
Recent checks had shown some big discrepancies between door entry figures and confirmed visitor numbers inside the museum,
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/museum-seeks-answers-numb...
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writeaway
: or simply door counter. http://www.irisys.net/retail-door-counter
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Tis the simplest, but I was trying to ring the changes.
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40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
door counters (gate counters)
Description
The GC-1 gate counter counts the number of times a gate opens. This counter is an accurate people counter if used on kissing gates etc. It uses a small sensor which is easily hidden from sight. The circuitry eliminates false counts that might otherwise be caused by the gate bouncing as it closes. The counter has a very low current consumption and the unit can run for over 2 years without the need for changing the battery.
http://www.chambers-electronics.com/gate-counter.html
10 Bit 0: Gate counter 0 open (activated) Bit 1: Gate counter 0 closed
vipa.dk
10 Bit 0: Tor Zähler 0 geöffnet (aktiviert) Bit 1: Tor Zähler 0 geschlossen
vipa.de
http://www.linguee.de/englisch-deutsch/uebersetzung/gate cou...
Gate counter 1/8
Stationary, one work station gate counter
Basic module allows for one or two access control scanners . Includes printer extension shelf, keyboard extension shelf and one drop-down door for CPU storage.
http://airport.usm.com/product/gate-counter-1/
"gate counters" can be used for gates as well as for doors.
This section describes our full line of Electronic People Counters.
These devices are referred to by many different names, such as Pedestrian Counters, Door Counters, Customer Counters, Visitor Counters and Retail Traffic Counters.
http://www.idtelectronics.com/people-counters-and-door-count...
Organizations across the nation use people counters in many ways to better understand how people are using their facilities. Entrance Door Counters can help you understand which doors are the busiest and how many people are using specific doors.
http://wecountpeople.com/
How does Door Counter technology help retailers?
Many retailers are initially skeptical about the value of using electronic door counters to monitor the footfall in their store.
http://www.irisys.net/retail-door-counter
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Björn Vrooman
: Should agree. Cf. discussion. Door counter should be fine: http://www.countwise.com/product/door-counter/; if you want, you could say "door traffic counter" to remove any ambiguity as to what is being counted (doors or people).
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Thank you!
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Discussion
Note: Any peer being tangled with both terms "Türzähler" and "Personenzähler" as you, would be grateful to see who you solved this problem.
@Jack
See below. Additionally, I understand yours and Phil's need to eliminate redundancy, but if something is redundant here, it's "Personenzähler," since "Türzähler" is the more specific term and is the one which required definition. You can discern from the little context we have that this is about a definition and the word may show up quite frequently in the actual text. You might as well use door(-mounted) counter and specify it as a system installed to count visitors, customers, etc. - i.e. turn "Personenzähler" into a phrase that includes a verb (to count). Since you already have a definition of the word, it makes little difference whether or not you add "mounted."
But I agree with you that the truncated version sounds a bit odd and any search result will turn up many false positives, as "counter" may be kitchen-related, etc. If you look closely, you'll see that there are Ghits such as "3-door counter."
@Johannes
Frankly, I am a bit confused about your reply, since I was arguing in favor of your answer.
However, your explanation of why you should keep the two terms separate seems a bit off.
"All terms describe the same matter, but with different accents."
- Actually, this isn't about different aspects/characteristics. Let me put it this way:
Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.
Same here. One is a subcategory of the other. A "Türzähler is still(!) a Personenzähler, just one that is fixed to a door (may even be near the entrance, so the German term is not ambiguous but probably a bit imprecise; think "Lichtschranke"). There are other types of Personenzähler, e.g., to count foot traffic in a street (and they would certainly not be called"Türzähler"), so you can't just replace one term with the other.
E.g., a frog is an animal and you may be able to use "animal" when talking about the frog in your document, but you can't say all animals are green (nor are all frogs, but that's not the point).
For instance, you can translate "Haus" by "building" "home" and "house".
You can translate "building" by "Gebäude" and "Haus"
you can translate "home" by "Haus", "Eigenheim", "Wohnhaus" and "Heim"
You can translate "house" by "Haus", "Gebäude", "Wohnhaus".
All terms describe the same matter, but with different accents. And that's the reason, why different terms are established.
The "Türzähler" is a counter specified by the door, where it is located.
The "Personenzähler" is a counter specified by the purpose for counting.
That's why I propose to associate a proper English term to each German term.
A few variants of Personenzähler:
http://www.preiser-technik.de/personenzaehler
http://www.warensortiment.de/technische-daten/personenzaehle...
http://www.peoplecounter.de/branchen/staedte.html
http://www.peoplecounter.de/branchen/veranstalter.html
Example of a "Türzähler":
"Vielleicht erleben Sie selbst schon das Internet der Dinge, ohne dass es ihnen bewusst ist. Auf jeden Fall begegnet es Ihnen im Alltag. Zum Beispiel beim Einkaufen. Viele Ladengeschäfte, nutzen einen Türzähler, der registriert, wie viele Menschen den Laden betreten. In Verbindung mit der Kasse, lässt sich so ermitteln, wie viele Besucher, die den Laden betreten, dann auch etwas kaufen."
http://www.boxhorn-edv.com/downloads/Newsletter 2015/Newslet...
In short: Every Türzähler is a Personenzähler, but not every Personenzähler is a Türzähler.
As always, asker provides no context whatsoever. I think Türzähler is more important here to translate.
About 1.020 results (0,39 seconds) for "Personenzählsystem"
3 results (0,59 seconds) für "Personenzählersystem"
Note: This term is no good German, but a translation was asked for. I correct the wrong orthography and got corresponding references, cited with my poroposals.
It’s easy to check the occurrences. You need to enter the searched term into quotation marks, so seen with my search results.
„Türzähler“1.480 results
(I never heard this term before).
Compared to:
"people counter" 265.000 results
"door counter" 213.000 results
"gate counter" 28.300 results
"door mounted counter" 1.140 results
Obviously more common in UK/US.
"This section describes our full line of Electronic People Counters.<br>
These devices are referred to by many different names, such as Pedestrian Counters, Door Counters, Customer Counters, Visitor Counters and Retail Traffic Counters."<br>
http://www.idtelectronics.com/people-counters-and-door-count...