May 2, 2017 09:39
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English term

sale by/to

English Medical Medical (general) Prescription devices (US English)
My question concerns the exact meaning of the phrase 'Federal law restricts this device to sale by or on the order of a physician'.

If you go to this page on prescription devices on the FDA website, which I suppose is the origin of the phrase:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFR...

and look at (a) (2), it says, about prescription devices:

'Is to be sold only to or on the prescription or other order of such practitioner for use in the course of his professional practice',

while under (b) it says:

'The label of the device, other than surgical instruments, bears:

(1) The statement "Caution: Federal law restricts this device to sale by or on the order of a ____", the blank to be filled with the word "physician", "dentist", "veterinarian"...'

Can anyone explain why the word 'by' is used in (b) (1) and not 'to' as in (a) (2)?

Thank you for you help.

Discussion

magdadh May 3, 2017:
These are all sub cases of ''prescription-only'' I don't think this is about the commercial aspect but abut provision - devices that are prescription only, basically.

I also don't think this regulates who is allowed to USE these devices, but it simply specifies that an authorised practitioner's order/permission is needed for the device to be provided.

''To a practitioner'', ''by a practitioner'' and ''on the order of a practitioner'' are all cases of ''prescription only'' situation, although - when obtained by a practitioner for use by the practitioner - the prescription might be implicit rather than actual.


Yes, physicians can sell products Maybe not in Canada, but in the US yes, physicians are allowed and some do sell retail products at their practices, even though it is controversial from the ethical point of view. Veterinarians, however, regularly dispense (e.g. sell) the products/drugs they prescribe, and that doe snot seem that controversial. I get the meds for my dog right there, at the vet's office, I do not have to go to a "pet pharmacy" (if there is such a thing) to fill the prescription.
Tina Vonhof (X) May 3, 2017:
To my knowledge, physicians are not allowed to sell anything, so it should be 'for sale to, or on prescription of'. Sale 'to' a physician is only for use in their practice.
Anna Haxen (asker) May 2, 2017:
@Tony M Yes, that is exactly the scenario I had been thinking of as an explanation for the different messages. It wouldn't make sense in my country, where prescription devices/drugs are not sold directly by physicians but, yes - prescribed - to patients who then go and buy them at a pharmacy, but maybe things are different in the US?
Tony M May 2, 2017:
@ Asker No, it doesn't make sense, from ANY health point of view; on the face of it, it must be a simple drafting error, as highlighted by BDF below.
HOWEVER, there is perhaps just one — very far-fetched! — scenario I can imagine in which it might be correct (though I'm pretty sure it isn't!)
SUPPOSE that the message printed on the label is intended for the end-user patient, who, once they have the device in their sticky mitts, needs to be told that they should only have been sold this BY a medical practitioner etc. — the difference between the warning to the people for whom these things are intended, and the end-user warning on the device itself.

Like I said, personally, I think that's too far fetched and contrived to be viable... but it would provide a rather tenuous grammatical explanation for the difference!
Anna Haxen (asker) May 2, 2017:
I saw those answers, but they don't really help me I understand what the sentences mean but the meanings are quite different, which is confusing. Or does it make sense from a US health care point of view?
philgoddard May 2, 2017:
Funnily enough We've had a question about this same piece of text:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greet...
I must admit I'm confused too. "By or on the order of" means they can sell or prescribe it, but I'm sure you've worked that out.
B D Finch May 2, 2017:
Mistake This looks as though you have detected a drafting error. Indeed, there appears to be another one: "Federal law restricts this device to sale by … ". Presumably this means "Federal law restricts the sale of this device …".

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2a covers sales by, to and prescribed, the label omits TO

I do not see the meanings as different. However, the label basically omits one permitted type of sale (TO practitioners).

My reasoning:

As it is clear and stated in both 2a and 2b that these can be sold on prescription, let's look at 2a without the prescription part:

...is to be sold only to such practitioner for use in the course of his professional practice...

It can be argued that selling to patients forms a part, an aspect of the professional practice of a practitioner. It might also be possible that a practitioner can prescribe a product and sell/dispense it too (as it for example vets do here in the UK).

Thus, the 2a provision covers all three: sales to doctors, by doctors, and on prescription.

The label covers two of those. Not conflict but omission.

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To answer the specific question:

Can anyone explain why the word 'by' is used in (b) and not 'to' as in (a)?

Sales to practitioners are kind of by default sales on prescription - the prescription is implied and perhaps the label just goes to far in avoiding redundancy.

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English term (edited): 'Federal law restricts this device to sale by or on the order of a physician\'

parsing + implied text

'Federal law restricts [the sale of] this device to:

a) sale by a physician
or
b) sale on the order of a physician'

IOW you can legally buy this device only directly from a physician, or from anyone else but only on the order of a physician
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