Dec 2, 2017 05:21
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English term

determine

English to French Law/Patents Law (general) testaments
I declare that if any shares in my residuary estate shall fail or determine then from the date of such failure or determination, such shares shall accrue to the shares in my residuary estate
Proposed translations (French)
4 -1 tombe

Discussion

Germaine Dec 4, 2017:
Effectivement, s'il s'agit d'une fiducie, fail or determine/failure or determination = échoue/échec
Tim Webb Dec 3, 2017:
Asker: Is the source text complete? Shouldn't it read: I declare that if any of the trusts of any shares in my residuary estate etc.? A trust can fail or determine, I'm not so sure about a share/portion

Proposed translations

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14 hrs
English term (edited): fail or determine
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tombe

Il me semble qu’il s’agit de l’un des doublets synonymiques chers à l’anglais juridique. Ici, les deux termes peuvent se rendre par « tomber » :

Je déclare que si une part du reliquat de ma succession tombe, alors à compter de la date de telle défaillance, ladite part [s’ajoute aux] [accroît les] parts du reliquat de ma succession.

Fail - tomber
(contexte) A legacy may fail for a number of reasons, e.g. uncertainty, illegality, death of the legatee in the testator's lifetime, ademption, satisfaction, attestation of the will by the legatee, disclaimer, and non-fulfilment of a condition.
(note) Le terme est considéré ici en tant qu'il se rapporte à une libéralité ("gift", "bequest", "devise", "legacy" ((...))).

failure – défaillance
(contexte) Failure of legacy. A legacy may fail for a number of reasons, e.g. uncertainty, illegality, death of the legatee in the testator's lifetime, ademption, satisfaction, attestation of the will by the legatee, disclaimer, and non-fulfilment of a condition.
(note) Le terme est considéré ici en tant qu'il se rapporte à une "libéralité" ("gift", "bequest", "devise", "legacy" ((...))). On parlera par exemple de la défaillance d'un legs.

determine – prendre fin, s’éteindre
Determination – expiration, extinction
Fait de cesser d'exister, s'agissant d'un droit ou d'un intérêt.
http://www.juriterm.ca/

Le verbe tomber s’emploie absolument au sens de cesser, de perdre sa pertinence ou son bien-fondé. « Quant aux héritiers, si leur nombre dépasse l’unité, les motifs justifiant l’indivisibilité de l’obligation à l’égard de leur auteur tombent, et l’obligation redevient divisible entre eux. »
http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/juridi-srch?lang=eng&srchtx...

property or an interest therein that is comprised or intended to be comprised in a devise or bequest that fails or becomes void…
…des biens ou un intérêt sur ces biens compris, d’une façon explicite ou implicite dans un legs qui tombe ou devient nul d’une nullité absolue…
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90s26#BK25

Note :
Dans un autre contexte, fail or determine/failure or determination sont rendus par « échouer » et parfois, par « éteint ou résolu » (extinction ou résolution) ou « éteint ou expiré » (extinction ou expiration).


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Note added at 17 hrs (2017-12-02 22:40:25 GMT)
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Ou, comme le suggère Francis Marche, "...dans le cas où quelque part du reliquat de ma succession tombe..."
Peer comment(s):

disagree GILLES MEUNIER : c'est familier ici
6 days
Bien sûr! En juridique, on essaie de garder ça sympa!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "merci je choisis "prendre fin""

Reference comments

5 hrs
Reference:

(additional) context and explanation

PROVIDED THAT IF any of the above trusts of any share in my Residuary Estate shall fail or determine from the date of such failure or determination such share or shares (and any share or shares or part or parts of a share which may accrue thereto by virtue of these provisions) shall accrue and be added to the other share or shares of my Residuary Estate (and equally if more than one) the trust of which shall not at that date have failed or determined and be held upon the like powers and provisions as those affecting such share or shares
This clause is included where an estate instead of going to one person is divided into shares. It provides that if a person named to benefit from a share dies, the share they would have had is divided equally between the remaining persons due to get shares.
http://www.legalservicesconsumerpanel.org.uk/ourwork/will_wr...
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11 hrs
Reference:

Determine = to come to an end

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/law_contracts/766641-to_d...

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Note added at 11 hrs (2017-12-02 16:36:57 GMT)
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"The future event is limited by a statute of limitations, so the result has to determine within a measurable time."
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4714027
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree AllegroTrans
6 hrs
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