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Feb 4, 2018 10:23
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Swedish term
Klimatkalkylinfrastrukturhållningens energianvändning
Swedish to English
Tech/Engineering
Environment & Ecology
Hello
In a document about the environment and environmental protection, this phrase only occurs once
Orange celler: ska fyllas i vid de tillfällen som anges i Riktlinje ***Klimatkalkylinfrastrukturhållningens energianvändning*** och klimatpåverkan i ett livscykelperspektiv (TDOK 215:7).
I can't work out the exact relationship between all the nouns compounded in this horribly long compound noun
Can anyway help please?
Thanks
In a document about the environment and environmental protection, this phrase only occurs once
Orange celler: ska fyllas i vid de tillfällen som anges i Riktlinje ***Klimatkalkylinfrastrukturhållningens energianvändning*** och klimatpåverkan i ett livscykelperspektiv (TDOK 215:7).
I can't work out the exact relationship between all the nouns compounded in this horribly long compound noun
Can anyway help please?
Thanks
Proposed translations
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the energy consumption ass. w maintaining the infrastructure required for calculating climate models
This is the reading that makes the most sense to me. Using compound nouns as long as this is a stylistic no-no, and, at best, betrays poor communication skills.
ass. = associated
w = with
ass. = associated
w = with
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Anders Ericsson
: I came to a similar conclusion after I had posted my first response. An "Klimatkalkylinfrastruktur" could refer to a distributed computer system, or similar, used for climate model computations. I'd change the end to "climate model calculations" though.
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Thanks; I agree your ending is neater.
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Anders Ericsson
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the calculated energy consumption based on maintenance of climate infrastructure
People who construct such words are criminally incompetent (unless it's done as a joke) and ought to be put behind bars. There is no surefire way of getting to the semantics of this abomination, so anyone's guess is as good as mine.
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As a previous editor of translations, I'm quite used to green translators compounding long words in this fashion (but hardly ever this extreme) when they translate from English to swedish. I have as a rule of thumb that words in swedish should be kept below 20 characters as a standard, and rarely, if ever, should exceed a length of 30 characters. (that allows sensible albeit somewhat unnecessary 26 character constructions as "haverikommisonsordförande", which I would have preferred broken up as "haverikommissionens ordförande" or 19 and 10 characters. It is almost never a need to go beyond 20 characters.)
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I wonder if the swedish source itself might be a translation from another language. My experience is that swedes rarely compound like this when they write themselves, but often do it when they translate, and the reason as far as I can tell is that if you don't compounds, you're forced to use prepositions or possessive to impose a sentence structure, but you're often faced with that the original source has some ambiguity to it, and you're forced to do some deep thinking to figure out which preposition should be used or what is possessing what, and if you make the wrong choice, you've also made an incorrect translation.
Compounding is the coward's or lazy person's way of being sure he translates correctly. That the result is unreadable is another matter.
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Note added at 21 mins (2018-02-04 10:44:37 GMT)
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As a previous editor of translations, I'm quite used to green translators compounding long words in this fashion (but hardly ever this extreme) when they translate from English to swedish. I have as a rule of thumb that words in swedish should be kept below 20 characters as a standard, and rarely, if ever, should exceed a length of 30 characters. (that allows sensible albeit somewhat unnecessary 26 character constructions as "haverikommisonsordförande", which I would have preferred broken up as "haverikommissionens ordförande" or 19 and 10 characters. It is almost never a need to go beyond 20 characters.)
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-02-04 11:59:37 GMT)
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I wonder if the swedish source itself might be a translation from another language. My experience is that swedes rarely compound like this when they write themselves, but often do it when they translate, and the reason as far as I can tell is that if you don't compounds, you're forced to use prepositions or possessive to impose a sentence structure, but you're often faced with that the original source has some ambiguity to it, and you're forced to do some deep thinking to figure out which preposition should be used or what is possessing what, and if you make the wrong choice, you've also made an incorrect translation.
Compounding is the coward's or lazy person's way of being sure he translates correctly. That the result is unreadable is another matter.
Discussion
The first two URLs don't work due to the system treating the final parenthesis as part of the URL. Working links:
https://www.trafikverket.se/tjanster/system-och-verktyg/Prog...
https://www.trafikverket.se/en/startpage/projects/Railway-co...
The TRVK uses 'climate calculation' as, for example, in (https://www.trafikverket.se/en/startpage/projects/Railway-co... This is a rather Swenglish term to my ears, and it all has to do with carbon or climate footprinting using LCA. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_footprint
Some reading for before you hand this one in...
Thanks for this and it is nice to read comments from native Swedish speakers about such compounded words. I'm now hoping that you will look at each others' interpretations and come up with a definitive and most probably "good translation" of this abomination