Jul 20, 2018 19:24
5 yrs ago
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Spanish term

descargas

Spanish to English Tech/Engineering Telecom(munications)
I am wondering if this is feedback or interfence in this text by an Argentine writer, The text was written in 2014, but it recalls events from the 40s:

… Lo que quiero finalmente es puntuar, en tiempo y espacio, un acto apenas separado de aquel anterior que fundó mi identidad, por un añito largo a más tardar: para finales de la primavera del ’49 –tenía cuatro años recién cumplidos– el viento seguía barriendo las calles de tierra de Médanos y hacía temblar la voz en las radios saturadas de descargas que hablaban de lejanos partidos y de la verde gramilla de la mítica Bombonera testigo de desastre tras desastre.

Or, perhaps, it is just that the radios were on??

Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 static
4 +3 interference
4 +2 crackling

Discussion

John Druce Jul 22, 2018:
@Helena, I see your point, and how the sentence could make sense if “descargas” could be interpreted as “transmissions”, but I can’t find any sources that use it that way. My understanding is also that descarga has a similar connotation to discharge in English as in something neutral to undesired (e.g. discharge from a wound or sewer). Bearing in mind the context of someone fondly reminiscing about being a child and tuning into these broadcasts, I would be surprised that he chose a word which would make the broadcasts of something he loves so much sound unwanted.

Remember also that he’s talking about the end of spring, start of summer, and there’s also atmospheric phenomena to take into account, which would also affect the sound quality of the radio set he’s listening.

I’m convinced this is meant to refer to a scratchy, crackly sound quality that the writer fondly remembers as part of the ambience of tuning into these exotic broadcasts about the football.
Helena Chavarria Jul 22, 2018:
Perhaps 'descargas' is another word for 'transmissions'?

Radios saturated with transmissions that spoke about games played far away...
John Druce Jul 22, 2018:
Signal, noise and interference My background is in analytical instrumentation, so I can’t help but make a distinction here, where perhaps more colloquially people don’t. For the sake of general accuracy, let’s look at the two terms.

A SIGNAL “conveys information about the behaviour or attributes of some phenomenon" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal), and NOISE is “unwanted (and, in general, unknown) modifications that a signal may suffer during capture, storage, transmission, processing, or conversion.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_(signal_processing).

If we take the definition JohnMcDove provides above, interference is “the fading or disturbance of received radio signals caused by unwanted signals from other sources, such as unshielded electrical equipment, or broadcasts from other stations or channels.”

From a signal processing point of view, we are talking about two phenomena:

Interference = signal+signal (two broadcasts)
Picking up noise = signal+noise (one broadcast with added pops, crackles, scratches, fuzz…)

I think most people in this discussion would agree it is the second process, which is not technically interference, which is why I don’t think that is the right word to use.
John Druce Jul 22, 2018:
The source text doesn't use "interferencias" @JohnMcDove: the source text doesn't use the word "interferencias"; it says "descargas", and that is specifically the word that the OP was asking about.

I just asked my wife and Spanish parents in law to take a look at this paragraph, and they also think descargas is referring to the noise and sound quality of the radio, so I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as you say.

We have to decide whether we are parsing the sentence as:
"saturadas de descargas" describing "las radios", or

"que hablaban de lejanos partidos..." describing these "descargas" which are saturating the radio.

I would argue that it is the former, and the radios, which were "saturated with discharges", were talking about the football matches taking place far-away, especially in the mythical Bombonera stadium. My point is that the sound of a radio "saturated with discharges" is crackly.

You seem to be parsing the text in the second way, which implies that you are translating "descargas" as "broadcast". I could see how one would make a tenuous analogy to the modern use of descargas=downloads as a sort of broadcast, but I think the far simpler explanation is the dictionary definition of descargas as discharges.
Helena Chavarria Jul 22, 2018:
I immediately thought they were ‘descargas’ from thunderstorms, not once did I think they came from electrical appliances. My answer is based on what we used to say when we had trouble tuning into a radio starion. In my part of the world (SE England) people spoke about interference; I don’t recall anyone saying ‘There’s a lot of crackling in the air’.
JohnMcDove Jul 22, 2018:
N.B.: "interferencias que hablaban de lejanos partidos" is NOT "crackling" nor "static". What the author is obviously talking about "is picking up other broadcasts", no question about it. "Far away games"... is referring specifically to just that. When I gave my agreement to Helena, I was thinking about "crackling" and "static", but looking at this again, and while these "interferences" might have been present, (no doubt) the author is precisely referring to "picking up other [far away] broadcasts". Che!
Helena Chavarria Jul 20, 2018:
@patinba Thank you for the information. 1949 is before my time, I was born in the 1950s. However, when was growing up, people often called radios, 'transistor radio', which is why I thought they had been invented by 1949.
patinba Jul 20, 2018:
@Helena Post interference please, that is the answer. Note however that transistor radios were not invented at the time, radios worked with valves.
Helena Chavarria Jul 20, 2018:
The most common problems with radio reception are weak signals or interference. Interference can be caused by anything with an electrical or magnetic current. Changing weather patterns can also cause problems with radio reception.

The radio antenna is the most important factor in achieving good reception. Many radio reception difficulties are caused by deficiencies in the radio or antenna installation.

http://www.abc.net.au/reception/radio-troubleshooting/982571...

In 1949, people used to listen to transistor radios.
Helena Chavarria Jul 20, 2018:
I think it refers to what I've always called 'interference'.
Hitty-Ko Kamimura Jul 20, 2018:
In this context it looks like radio channels (specific transmission frequencies).
"... in radios saturated with channels that spoke of distant ..."
Maximo Wilhelm Muñoz Jul 20, 2018:
discharges ¿Descargas de qué? ¿eléctricas? No lo creo.
Personalmente, pienso que sin duda alguna no se trata de ´downloads´, por si esa era tu duda. Sin duda alguna considero es y se refiere a ´discharges´, así como ´signal discharges´.
¡Saludos!

Proposed translations

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static

An option.
"If you only hear the static when listening to the radio, and not when listening to CDs or any auxiliary audio sources, then the problem is either with the antenna, the tuner, or some external source of interference..."

"Both units sometimes generate static and crackling sounds ..."
Example sentence:

Yet even a top-of-the-line headset may produce crackling or static noises...

Do you experience crackling, static, ....

Peer comment(s):

agree John Druce
1 hr
agree Helena Chavarria : I agree, which is why one of the references in my answer includes 'pops', 'whistles', distorted voices', 'crackling', 'warped' and 'hiss of radio static'.
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2 hrs

interference

Just inside Burke Lake Park several tents sat in a field last Saturday, although it was not a designated camping area. The chugging drone of a generator filled the air. Beneath that, the monotone staccato of Morse code chattered away, and the hiss of radio static emanated from several of the tents, punctuated by pops and whistles and occasional distorted voices — some urgent and crackling, others warped until they sounded surreal, like Darth Vader underwater. Hardly a word was distinguishable. These could have been snippets of conversation overheard from the far reaches of space, from the realm of the dead. Wires ran from one tent to another, to various antennas, to other wires strung between trees.

#It would have been easy to assume that some long-estranged Soviet astronauts had returned from orbit around a time-bending black hole, made an emergency water landing in Burke Lake, and set up a spy operation, still unaware of the Cold War’s end.

#Certainly, it would have been easy to assume this, if one had not known that Saturday was the American Radio Relay League’s (ARRL) annual Field Day.

#The men and women hunched over laptops and radio receivers, watching and listening for messages from beyond, were not anachronous Communist spies but were, in fact, members of the Vienna Wireless Society, a group of over 100 ham radio hobbyists.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2006/jun/27/wireles...

This little beauty model PZ60 has 10 bands plus gram input. Although, it's not so little! It has 6 valves plus magic eye, and an 8" speaker. It really pulls in the shortwave stations, by the dozen, if not hundreds! Even in daylight it does well, which is not so easy these days, with all the sources of interference now around. It also has pretty good sound. The on/off/tone and volume are on the left side and tuning and band selector are on the right side.

http://www.radio-restoration.com/Pye.html

I seem to recall my first real experience of listening to the radio would have been around 85 - 86 (about 8 years old) and recall listening to Radio 1 on a (transistor?) portable radio and the AM sound was quite good. Skip forward a few years to 1988 (11 years old) and the quality was quite poor and faded a lot. I remember hearing about them going FM stereo in London while listening to it fade in and out with another station on top.

I just wondered what radio was like to live with during the LW, MW and SW years as a medium. Did it always suffer from lots of interference or was the quality as good as the US AM stations I've heard on line?

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2214388/what-was-am...

I also remember people calling a radio, a 'wireless'!
Peer comment(s):

agree patinba
1 hr
Thank you, patinba :-)
agree JohnMcDove : Sí. ... los relámpagos y rayos generan una enorme cantidad de ondas electromagnéticas que se oyen como ruidos o descargas en la radio. http://pagciencia.quimica.unlp.edu.ar/experfis.htm
5 hrs
Thank you, John :-)
agree Sergio Kot
11 hrs
Thank you, Sergio :-)
disagree John Druce : I don't think the author is talking about picking up other broadcasts, but just trying to invoke the crackly sound quality of an old radio set.
12 hrs
That's exactly what I thought, which is why my first reference includes 'pops', 'whistles', distorted voices', 'crackling', 'warped' and 'hiss of radio static'. Thank you for your opinion, John :-)
agree neilmac : "She fell asleep and when she woke it was to ... the wireless crackling with interference...."
12 hrs
Cheers, Neil :-)
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14 hrs

crackling

I disagree with interference, which would mean a signal from another radio station crossing over so you would hear the two broadcasts overlapping). The word descargas translates to discharges (as well as the more modern download).

It's talking about electrical discharges / arcs in old radio receivers, which you hear as a kind of crackling sound. You can hear it hear mixed with the fuzz of the static noise; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIAhLeMPvNo

The writer is not talking about accidentally picking up another station, he's trying to invoke the sound quality of an old fashioned radio broadcast.

So I would go with something like: "...making the voices coming over the crackling radios tremble as they talked about..."
Peer comment(s):

agree neilmac : Using "wireless" instead of "radio" makes it sound even more period....
33 mins
Thanks. I like your suggestion of using wireless!
neutral Helena Chavarria : I'm not sure if 'crackling' is the translation of 'descargas'. BTW, in my answer I also remind the asker that a radio was often called a 'wireless'.
2 hrs
agree Jennifer Levey : Probably the best option in the context (1940s) of Wendy's ST - and I agree that "wireless" is appropriate here, too.
5 hrs
neutral JohnMcDove : Ok, but "interference" already covers this idea. - 2.1 The fading or disturbance of received radio signals caused by unwanted signals from other sources, such as unshielded electrical equipment, or broadcasts from other stations or channels.
20 hrs
By that definition, it doesn't cover it. Interference refers to two broadcasts (i.e. signals) bleeding into one another. Crackling refers to noise introduced by the receiving equipment (not other broadcasts or another piece of equipment mentioned here)
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