Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Kastelle am Limes
English translation:
Roman forts on the Limes
Added to glossary by
Wendy Streitparth
Jan 15, 2019 15:37
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German term
Kastelle am Limes
German to English
Science
History
Getreide und Gemüse bezog aus dem Hinterland der Kastelle am Limes
Ich bin der Ansicht, dass hier Roman forts gemeint sind, aber ich habe auch schon mal Castle gesehen, was mir eher befremdlich vorkommt.
Da ich mir aber nicht sicher bin, wäre ich Euch für Eure KOmmentare dankbar.
Herzliche Grüße im Voraus.
Inge
Ich bin der Ansicht, dass hier Roman forts gemeint sind, aber ich habe auch schon mal Castle gesehen, was mir eher befremdlich vorkommt.
Da ich mir aber nicht sicher bin, wäre ich Euch für Eure KOmmentare dankbar.
Herzliche Grüße im Voraus.
Inge
Proposed translations
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4 +1 | Roman fort | Wendy Streitparth |
3 +3 | castellum on the Limes Germanicus.....(where?) | Ramey Rieger (X) |
5 | Kastelle am Limes | Cillie Swart |
4 | Milecastles on the Limes Germanicus | Yorkshireman |
Change log
Jan 15, 2019 19:14: Murad AWAD changed "Field" from "Other" to "Science"
Jan 19, 2019 18:25: Wendy Streitparth Created KOG entry
Jan 19, 2019 18:26: Wendy Streitparth changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1219907">Wendy Streitparth's</a> old entry - "Kastelle am Limes"" to ""Roman fort""
Proposed translations
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Roman fort
A stylised watchtower shows hikers the way from Rheinbrohl
on the Rhine to Bad Gögging on the Danube. People who want
to gain an in-depth knowledge and understanding of the Limes with its
surveillance systems and barriers (towers, palisades, moats, ramparts,
walls) and of the forts should go on a hiking tour.
https://hadrianswallcountry.co.uk/sites/default/files/2016_D...
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Bearing in mind that this was indeed a very small "Anlage", maybe "Roman outpost" would be more appropriate.
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Fortlet seems to me a very unfortunate word (makes me think of tartlet!) and 'small fort' would be preferable - at least to me!
"Small fort" is castellum, which Vegetius explains is the diminutive of castra. He conceives of them as fortified outposts to be manned by cavalry protecting a supply route; i.e., a base from which to conduct patrols.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castra
The Roman frontier (limes in Latin) demarked the extent of the Roman Empire...... with small forts (castella) at regular intervals to provide security against invasion.
https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/sites/default/files/BAR3...
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Have now discovered that Rheinbrohl had an "Auxiliarkastell" (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Limes2.p... which in English is an "auxiliary fort":
Auxiliary Forts: These were generally rectangular or square in outline, posessed of a substantial rampart and may have several ditch systems. They were constructed at first mainly of timber but later in stone, and housed troops from allied and Romanized nations, who would become full Roman citizens on discharge, the Auxilia. These troops were not as highly trained (or as well paid) as were the citizen troops of the Roman Legions, and although they made their own Marching Camps, their Garrison Forts were actually built by the legionaries.
http://roman-britain.co.uk/places/_min.htm
So it was a small auxiliary fort!
on the Rhine to Bad Gögging on the Danube. People who want
to gain an in-depth knowledge and understanding of the Limes with its
surveillance systems and barriers (towers, palisades, moats, ramparts,
walls) and of the forts should go on a hiking tour.
https://hadrianswallcountry.co.uk/sites/default/files/2016_D...
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-01-15 16:44:39 GMT)
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Bearing in mind that this was indeed a very small "Anlage", maybe "Roman outpost" would be more appropriate.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2019-01-15 19:38:50 GMT)
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Fortlet seems to me a very unfortunate word (makes me think of tartlet!) and 'small fort' would be preferable - at least to me!
"Small fort" is castellum, which Vegetius explains is the diminutive of castra. He conceives of them as fortified outposts to be manned by cavalry protecting a supply route; i.e., a base from which to conduct patrols.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castra
The Roman frontier (limes in Latin) demarked the extent of the Roman Empire...... with small forts (castella) at regular intervals to provide security against invasion.
https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/sites/default/files/BAR3...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2019-01-15 20:13:56 GMT)
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Have now discovered that Rheinbrohl had an "Auxiliarkastell" (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Limes2.p... which in English is an "auxiliary fort":
Auxiliary Forts: These were generally rectangular or square in outline, posessed of a substantial rampart and may have several ditch systems. They were constructed at first mainly of timber but later in stone, and housed troops from allied and Romanized nations, who would become full Roman citizens on discharge, the Auxilia. These troops were not as highly trained (or as well paid) as were the citizen troops of the Roman Legions, and although they made their own Marching Camps, their Garrison Forts were actually built by the legionaries.
http://roman-britain.co.uk/places/_min.htm
So it was a small auxiliary fort!
Peer comment(s):
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Thomas Pfann
: The text does not reference one particular fort but talks about the forts along the limes in general - some will be smaller, some larger. 'Roman forts' is general enough for that purpose, or you might say 'Roman forts and fortlets'.
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Thanks again, Thomas. You might want to revise your opinion now that I've revised mine!
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Comment: "Thank you so much to all of your for your helpful comments I have opted for forts as they refert to forts on the Limes in general and Wendy is right, there are bigger and smaller ones. Thanks again, I appreciate your help very much. Inge"
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castellum on the Limes Germanicus.....(where?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limes
Hinterland implies a smaller fort, hence castellum
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Officially:
small/ minor Roman fort/fortlet on the German frontier
Hinterland implies a smaller fort, hence castellum
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Officially:
small/ minor Roman fort/fortlet on the German frontier
Peer comment(s):
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Björn Vrooman
: You did say smaller fort; fortlet or small fort it is then. According to Wiki, "scholastic convention tends toward the use of the words camp...and fortress as a translation of castrum." The German doesn't use Latin either, so you better anglicize.
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Yes, I did.
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Michael Martin, MA
: Kastelle is plural. Make that castella on the limes.
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Mercí
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Wendy Streitparth
: Sorry Ramey, hadn't digested that you had already made such a comprehensive suggestion. / Guess we both got there in the end!/ Oh, and all the forts had a Hinterland, whether they were large or small!
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All's well, Wendy, you be well, too!
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Milecastles on the Limes Germanicus
Roman fortifications - such as Hadrian's Wall in the UK and the "Limes" in Germany - had forts, towers with gates and similar defensive structures at regular intervals.
These were called milecastles.
Quote: A milecastle was a small fort (fortlet), a rectangular fortification built during the period of the Roman Empire. They were placed at intervals of approximately one Roman mile along several major frontiers, for example Hadrian's Wall in Great Britain (Britannia in the Roman period), hence the name.
Source: www.novae.uw.edu.pl/Lecture/Lecture 7 The Limes.pdf
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These were called milecastles.
Quote: A milecastle was a small fort (fortlet), a rectangular fortification built during the period of the Roman Empire. They were placed at intervals of approximately one Roman mile along several major frontiers, for example Hadrian's Wall in Great Britain (Britannia in the Roman period), hence the name.
Source: www.novae.uw.edu.pl/Lecture/Lecture 7 The Limes.pdf
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Kastelle am Limes
Keep it like this. Pronoun!
Reference:
Discussion
Back to forts and fortlets.
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On the contrary, the one in Rheinbrohl seems to be called Kleinkastell Rheinbrohl:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinkastell_Rheinbrohl
From an ENS (Kleinkastell/fortlet):
https://perlineamvalli.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/orl-day-one-...
From one of the Wiki links:
"Kleinkastelle hatten oft nur eine Größe von 300 m². Die Besatzungsstärke schwankte zwischen 12 und 80 Mann. In der Urform gab es nur ein Tor und einen Graben."
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Römisches_Militärlager#Kleinka...
As said, small fort would work for me too. Also,it's part of the UNESCO World Heritage, so it should be listed in English somewhere (I did post a UN link below, but it doesn't shed any light on the matter). I can't find it, though.
Have a great evening
If we had the entire sentence, we might all want to revise our suggestions again and I still think Roman forts is a good option as it covers all possibilities.
Still, while fortlet may not be in the BrE dictionary, I don't see why it would be an unfortunate choice. Not only did I post a list about "forts and fortlets" in Scotland, but I also linked to an article by the BBC. There are other UK links:
https://www.exmoorher.co.uk/hbsmr-web/record.aspx?UID=MDE102...
http://roman-britain.co.uk/places/restormel.htm
http://www.breconbeaconstourism.co.uk/waun-ddu-roman-fortlet
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1...
https://www.southwestcoastpath.org.uk/walksdb/251/
http://www.armadale.org.uk/castlegreg.htm
http://www.doorsopendays.org.uk/places/dumfries-galloway/dur...
From the National Trust:
"Along the way you will pass a Roman Fortlet and walk through ancient sessile oak woodlands."
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/heddon-valley/trails/heddon...
If you hover over "Fortlet" at this link, you'll see a gov.uk definition:
https://canmore.org.uk/site/41272/outerwards
Best wishes
http://roman-britain.co.uk/places/throp.htm
It all depends just what there was in Rheinbrohl. I have a sneaking feeling it was just a watchtower, in which case I would still go for outpost.
Okay, fortlet on the Roman border wall in Germany
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fortlet
See also
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonine_Wall
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/stuart-forster/travel-photo...
A castellum is the diminutive form of castrum (see link below).
The idea was good, of course, but I'm not sure the asker is supposed to sprinkle the text with Latin terms.
Best wishes
CHEERS!
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Römisches_Militärlager
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castra
Cf. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kastelle_des_Donau-I...
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