Mar 19, 2019 18:26
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Spanish term
United States
M.S. Leg/Fin Translator - 12 yrs - MemoQ
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, French to English, and 2 more.
callejón de retiro
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Real Estate
I'm translating this legal document where the person is declaring the sale of his property and the details thereof. This document is from Venezuela. The wording goes like this:
"(...) El inmueble objeto de la presente venta está comprendido dentro de los siguientes linderos: NORTE: con fachada Norte del edicio, intermedio de retiro y cerca del perimetral; SUR: Pasillo de Circulación Planta Baja y Área de Estacionamiento; (...)"
Having trouble finding any reference of CALLEJÓN DE RETIRO online, but I'm wondering if might by synonymous to CALLEJÓN SIN SALIDA or have a completely different meaning.
Thoughts?
"(...) El inmueble objeto de la presente venta está comprendido dentro de los siguientes linderos: NORTE: con fachada Norte del edicio, intermedio de retiro y cerca del perimetral; SUR: Pasillo de Circulación Planta Baja y Área de Estacionamiento; (...)"
Having trouble finding any reference of CALLEJÓN DE RETIRO online, but I'm wondering if might by synonymous to CALLEJÓN SIN SALIDA or have a completely different meaning.
Thoughts?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | alleyway/passage/passageway |
Marie Wilson
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| 3 +3 | setback alley/alleyway/passage |
Marco Paz
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| 3 -4 | alley retirement |
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
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Proposed translations
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alleyway/passage/passageway
There aren't many examples to be found but on some property sites it seems to be an alleyway:
Callejón de retiro con piso de cerámica
https://www.plusvalia.com/propiedades/linda-casa-de-4-dorm.-...
Photo 22
Callejón de 1 metro de retiro lateral.
https://www.plusvalia.com/propiedades/en-obra-gris-se-vende-...
Photo 20
Maybe "de retiro" means that it separates two properties. Retirar:
Mover una cosa de un sitio para que deje de estar en contacto con algo o deje de estar próxima a algo.
As alleyways separate two buildings anyway, I think it would suffice.
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Glad to be of help!
Callejón de retiro con piso de cerámica
https://www.plusvalia.com/propiedades/linda-casa-de-4-dorm.-...
Photo 22
Callejón de 1 metro de retiro lateral.
https://www.plusvalia.com/propiedades/en-obra-gris-se-vende-...
Photo 20
Maybe "de retiro" means that it separates two properties. Retirar:
Mover una cosa de un sitio para que deje de estar en contacto con algo o deje de estar próxima a algo.
As alleyways separate two buildings anyway, I think it would suffice.
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Note added at 8 days (2019-03-28 15:19:01 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to be of help!
Peer comment(s):
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Christian [email protected]
: In Venezuela, "retiro" is "setback".
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I can imagine what retiro means, the problem is finding an equivalent in English that makes sense. I left it out because I think alleyway gets the meaning across.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for the clarification! The separation between buildings made more sense as I discovered the building specs in the document."
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5 mins
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
Mexico
Confianza, certeza, creatividad.
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Mexican)
Works in: English to Spanish, Italian to Spanish, French to Spanish, and 6 more.
alley retirement
I think there is no more than this.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: This is why we have nothing to fear from Google Translate...
17 mins
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patinba
: You need to justify this literal effort.
2 hrs
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| disagree |
Thomas Walker
: There's a reason that the first thing we were taught in Translation 101 was: translate only into your native language.
1 day 3 mins
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neilmac
: No pega ni con cola...
1 day 1 hr
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+3
5 hrs
setback alley/alleyway/passage
Setback alley/alleyway/passage in between.
"What is a setback on property?
A distance from a curb, property line, or structure within which building is prohibited. Setbacks are building restrictions imposed on property owners. Local governments create setbacks through ordinances and Building Codes, usually for reasons of public policy such as safety, privacy, and environmental protection".
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"In fact, several properties along Elmwood Place, including house numbers 601 and 603 as well as 607 and 609, were combined to create bigger lots that accommodate multifamily units with 15-foot setbacks."
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2019/03/boa-ponders-hi...
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2019-03-21 06:06:35 GMT)
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After doing some research, I have come to the conclusion that the Spanish expression "callejón de retiro" can be misleading. It does not refer to a public alley or passage. I think the expression simply refers to an open area called a "setback". However, you could use the expression "setback from an alley" which is a different thing. Of course, a setback could also be used as a private alley by the owner of a property, not as a building site. In sum: CALLEJON DE RETIRO = SETBACK.
"What is a setback on property?
A distance from a curb, property line, or structure within which building is prohibited. Setbacks are building restrictions imposed on property owners. Local governments create setbacks through ordinances and Building Codes, usually for reasons of public policy such as safety, privacy, and environmental protection".
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Note added at 5 hrs (2019-03-19 23:51:18 GMT)
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"In fact, several properties along Elmwood Place, including house numbers 601 and 603 as well as 607 and 609, were combined to create bigger lots that accommodate multifamily units with 15-foot setbacks."
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2019/03/boa-ponders-hi...
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2019-03-21 06:06:35 GMT)
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After doing some research, I have come to the conclusion that the Spanish expression "callejón de retiro" can be misleading. It does not refer to a public alley or passage. I think the expression simply refers to an open area called a "setback". However, you could use the expression "setback from an alley" which is a different thing. Of course, a setback could also be used as a private alley by the owner of a property, not as a building site. In sum: CALLEJON DE RETIRO = SETBACK.
Note from asker:
| I found Marie's answer made more sense for the text I was dealing with, but thanks for such a great explanation regarding the use of "callejón de retiro" |
Peer comment(s):
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Adrian MM.
: You beat me to it! https://eng.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/architecture/2... - but I was desperately looking to avoid a 'back passage'-./ set back from the roadway or 'building line'.
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Many thanks, Adrian! I guess you were pretty close. Excellent references. I had no idea there were so many!
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Christian [email protected]
: retiro=setback. 100% seguro.
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Muchas gracias, Christian!
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philgoddard
: I still can't visualise what you mean by setback, which is a noun. What is a setback alley? Do you mean set-back, and if so, from what?
2 hrs
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Good question! Let me do some research. Thanks!
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patinba
: "set back from the party line" for example.
12 hrs
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"set-back from property line." Thanks, patinba!
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