Jun 28, 2019 11:04
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Dutch term
godsdienst en religie
Dutch to English
Social Sciences
Religion
In a book on world religions, the author want to distinguish between these two words, which according to him are often used interchangeably. Normally I would have translated 'godsdienst' as religion, but that doesn't work for this. I toyed with using 'worship', 'faith' or 'belief', but wonder if anyone can think of any other options. Thanks!
Here are some examples sentences:
- "vaak worden de woorden godsdienst en religie door elkaar gebruikt, maar ten onrechte"
- "Religie is echt niet hetzelfde als godsdienst"
Here are some examples sentences:
- "vaak worden de woorden godsdienst en religie door elkaar gebruikt, maar ten onrechte"
- "Religie is echt niet hetzelfde als godsdienst"
Proposed translations
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4 | beliefs and religion | Cillie Swart |
3 | Religion and faith | Willemina Hagenauw |
Proposed translations
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beliefs and religion
beliefs is better than faith in this case I would say. More geared toward the divine.
2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you! I ended up using 'belief system' vs. 'religion', but this gave me the idea ;)"
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Religion and faith
I have also considered "belief systems", but this goes beyond religion and can include philosophy, political and other beliefs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief#Belief_systems
Reference comments
2 hrs
Reference:
Godsdienst of religie
Politici zoals Balkenende zouden onderscheid moeten maken tussen religie en godsdienst.
Religie: een diepe ervaring van iets groters dan de mens. Elke mens is religieus. Religie verbindt mensen.
Godsdienst: mensen willen over die ervaring praten; geven er namen aan -Jahweh, God, Allah- bedenken er verhalen over, scheppen rituelen. Godsdiensten willen religie bewaren, beleven en doorgeven aan het nageslacht. Godsdiensten zijn als het ware mantels om religie heengeslagen. Mantels gemaakt door mensen uit een bepaalde tijd, cultuur. Mantels die voortdurend ruimer, modieuzer gemaakt moeten worden, soms hersteld.
Godsdiensten kunnen dynamisch zijn als ze mensen met elkaar verbinden; mensen helpen `mens` te worden. Godsdiensten zijn dynamiet als een godsdienst zich de enig ware gaat noemen. Zo worden andere godsdiensten tot tweederangs geloven verklaard en worden mensen van elkaar vervreemd.
https://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/godsdienst-of-religie~b838a192/
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Note added at 2 hrs (2019-06-28 13:30:39 GMT)
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You may need a workaround.
For example:
Religie is echt niet hetzelfde als godsdienst.
A clear distinction should be made between religion and religious systems.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2019-06-28 18:30:39 GMT)
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The question is: Is there not truth in religions, in theories, in ideals, in beliefs?
Let us examine. What do we mean by religion? Surely, not organized religion, not Hinduism, Buddhism, or Christianity—which are all organized beliefs with their propaganda, conversion, proselytism, compulsion, and so on. Is there any truth in organized religion? It may engulf, enmesh truth, but the organized religion itself is not true. Therefore, organized religion is false, it separates man from man. You are a Muslim, I am a Hindu, another is a Christian or a Buddhist—and we are wrangling, butchering each other. Is there any truth in that? We are not discussing religion as the pursuit of truth, but we are considering if there is any truth in organized religion. We are so conditioned by organized religion to think there is truth in it that we have come to believe that by calling oneself a Hindu, one is somebody, or one will find God. How absurd, sir; to find God, to find reality, there must be virtue. Virtue is freedom, and only through freedom can truth be discovered—not when you are caught in the hands of organized religion, with its beliefs. And is there any truth in theories, in ideals, in beliefs? Why do you have beliefs? Obviously, because beliefs give you security, comfort, safety, a guide. In yourself you are frightened, you want to be protected, you want to lean on somebody, and therefore you create the ideal, which prevents you from understanding that which is. Therefore, an ideal becomes a hindrance to action.
https://hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1360/shoul...
Politici zoals Balkenende zouden onderscheid moeten maken tussen religie en godsdienst.
Religie: een diepe ervaring van iets groters dan de mens. Elke mens is religieus. Religie verbindt mensen.
Godsdienst: mensen willen over die ervaring praten; geven er namen aan -Jahweh, God, Allah- bedenken er verhalen over, scheppen rituelen. Godsdiensten willen religie bewaren, beleven en doorgeven aan het nageslacht. Godsdiensten zijn als het ware mantels om religie heengeslagen. Mantels gemaakt door mensen uit een bepaalde tijd, cultuur. Mantels die voortdurend ruimer, modieuzer gemaakt moeten worden, soms hersteld.
Godsdiensten kunnen dynamisch zijn als ze mensen met elkaar verbinden; mensen helpen `mens` te worden. Godsdiensten zijn dynamiet als een godsdienst zich de enig ware gaat noemen. Zo worden andere godsdiensten tot tweederangs geloven verklaard en worden mensen van elkaar vervreemd.
https://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/godsdienst-of-religie~b838a192/
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Note added at 2 hrs (2019-06-28 13:30:39 GMT)
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You may need a workaround.
For example:
Religie is echt niet hetzelfde als godsdienst.
A clear distinction should be made between religion and religious systems.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2019-06-28 18:30:39 GMT)
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The question is: Is there not truth in religions, in theories, in ideals, in beliefs?
Let us examine. What do we mean by religion? Surely, not organized religion, not Hinduism, Buddhism, or Christianity—which are all organized beliefs with their propaganda, conversion, proselytism, compulsion, and so on. Is there any truth in organized religion? It may engulf, enmesh truth, but the organized religion itself is not true. Therefore, organized religion is false, it separates man from man. You are a Muslim, I am a Hindu, another is a Christian or a Buddhist—and we are wrangling, butchering each other. Is there any truth in that? We are not discussing religion as the pursuit of truth, but we are considering if there is any truth in organized religion. We are so conditioned by organized religion to think there is truth in it that we have come to believe that by calling oneself a Hindu, one is somebody, or one will find God. How absurd, sir; to find God, to find reality, there must be virtue. Virtue is freedom, and only through freedom can truth be discovered—not when you are caught in the hands of organized religion, with its beliefs. And is there any truth in theories, in ideals, in beliefs? Why do you have beliefs? Obviously, because beliefs give you security, comfort, safety, a guide. In yourself you are frightened, you want to be protected, you want to lean on somebody, and therefore you create the ideal, which prevents you from understanding that which is. Therefore, an ideal becomes a hindrance to action.
https://hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1360/shoul...
Note from asker:
Thank you for the helpful references! |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree |
Kitty Brussaard
: Helpful references and the proposed workaround is definitely one worth considering.
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Thank you, Kitty. Yes, seems to me a good/useful 'working hypothesis'
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agree |
Peter Simon
1 day 19 hrs
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Thank you, Peter.
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Discussion
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https://www.dur.ac.uk/equality.diversity/faith/faithdifferen...
If you look up "godsdienst" in a dictionary, it says "religion".
Here's what Wikipedia says about "religie":
Vaak wordt ook de term geloof gebruikt. In monotheïstische religies wordt ook het specifiekere begrip godsdienst gebruikt (niet alleen geloven in God, maar Hem ook dienen).