Saleh Dardeer Feb 11, 2021:

باظ- باز بايز is a different word. It even has a classical Arabic origin. Kindly, have a look at the snapshot below that I copied from two references.

Fuad Yahya Feb 11, 2021:

بايظ It may sound like بايز, depending on the local pronunciation, but it is actually بايظ, which is unrelated.

Ludina Sallam Feb 11, 2021:

Sorry, I just have to had one more comment!
In Egypt, at least in Alexandria, they say بايز to mean something is "messed up" or "broken" and they say باز to mean something "broke" or "got messed up." I wonder if this is related to the slang word for pouting مبوِّز

Saleh Dardeer Feb 11, 2021:

Thank you for bringing in the word خشم to the discussion. I wanted to talk about it in my last entry, but I thought it might be seen irrelevant by some colleagues.

Yes! Here in Upper Egypt صعيد مصر, the word خشم means mouth as well. If I say the Gulf Arabic expression على خشمي they would not get easily unless they are familiar with the Gulf culture.

Fuad Yahya Feb 11, 2021:

We use بوز for mouth. In Gulf Arabic, بوز is equivalent to the Egyptian بق (pronounced بؤ), so مبوز is easy to understand and is now actually commonly used in the Gulf region.

Incidentally, the word for mouth in the Sudanese dialect is خشم, which, in the Gulf region, denotes "nose." I also believe that براطم is used in the Sudan for "lips," just as it is used in the Gulf region. I hope I am not mistaken about that.

Saleh Dardeer Feb 11, 2021:

Many thanks Mr. Fuad for the further explanation, pouting in Egyptian colloquial dialect is مبوِّز where براطم is بُوز...
والعلاقة بين المعنى الأصلي لبراطم والمعنى المتداول في مصر هي المجاز إذ بين التذمر والشفاه علاقة آلية فالشفاة آلة التذمرأو علاقة تلازم فلا تذمر دون مد الشفاه في غضب والتفوه بصوت منخفض

Fuad Yahya Feb 11, 2021:

I am not surprised, Ludina. I wasn't familiar with the mumbling/grumbling aspect in the Egyptian dialect either. As I said, we have a different word for it in the Gulf region. You can pass on the article cited by Moran to your friend.

To elaborate further, where I grew up, lips are called براطم when you want to indicate either fullness or when they are mentioned in the context of being unhappy. But when I worked as a medical interpreter at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, I noticed that patients from U.A.E. referred to lips as براطم in any context. The word was pretty neutral to them. It had no special connotations. A patient, for instance, would refer to her own lips as براطم. I found that unusual at the time (about 20 years ago). Now I now better.

Ludina Sallam Feb 11, 2021:

As a matter of interest, an Egyptian told me that in his experience it means grumbling or mumbling angrily to oneself, when upset by something, and he was not aware of the pouting aspect.