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commissioner
English to French
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Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.)
Hi everyone,
I'm translating a material safety sheet and I'm having trouble with "commissioner". I can't quite grasp this meaning/role, all the more that in this particular document, it's the same company as the manufacturer.
On the first page there is "Commissioned by:" and "Commissioner address", and later on:
"This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy."
My (poor) attempts at translation: "Commandé par :" / "Adresse de l'émetteur de la commande :" and
"Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux batteries [type de batterie] fournies par l'émetteur de la commande (XYZ) et fabriquées par XYZ. L'émetteur de la commande renseigne les données sur la composition des batteries, et garantit leur intégrité et leur exactitude."
Thanks in advance!
I'm translating a material safety sheet and I'm having trouble with "commissioner". I can't quite grasp this meaning/role, all the more that in this particular document, it's the same company as the manufacturer.
On the first page there is "Commissioned by:" and "Commissioner address", and later on:
"This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy."
My (poor) attempts at translation: "Commandé par :" / "Adresse de l'émetteur de la commande :" and
"Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux batteries [type de batterie] fournies par l'émetteur de la commande (XYZ) et fabriquées par XYZ. L'émetteur de la commande renseigne les données sur la composition des batteries, et garantit leur intégrité et leur exactitude."
Thanks in advance!
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Anthony Couturier
France
France
Native in French
Works in field
France
Electrical engineering and translation
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, Dutch to French
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fournisseur
Bonjour Natalia,
C'est au fournisseur d'un produit que revient la tâche de fournir la FDS.
Il est possible que le fabricant du produit soit le fournisseur, mais il peut aussi faire appel à un distributeur qui va se charger de mettre le produit sur le marché. Le distributeur devient à son tour fournisseur.
Dans ce cas, le fabricant et le fournisseur sont deux entités différentes. Le fabricant transmet alors la FDS au distributeur (devenu fournisseur) qui va apposer son nom dessus avant de la transmettre en aval de la chaîne d'approvisionnement.
Voir la page 7 et 8 de la brochure INRS ed954, où un diagramme avec les différents acteurs de la chaîne d'approvisionnement sont représentés et des explications sont données.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
En espérant que ça puisse aider.
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See example in discussion thread
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"Fournisseur" est le terme géneral regroupant les importateurs, les distributeurs, voire les utilisateurs en aval.
C'est au fournisseur d'un produit que revient la tâche de fournir la FDS.
Il est possible que le fabricant du produit soit le fournisseur, mais il peut aussi faire appel à un distributeur qui va se charger de mettre le produit sur le marché. Le distributeur devient à son tour fournisseur.
Dans ce cas, le fabricant et le fournisseur sont deux entités différentes. Le fabricant transmet alors la FDS au distributeur (devenu fournisseur) qui va apposer son nom dessus avant de la transmettre en aval de la chaîne d'approvisionnement.
Voir la page 7 et 8 de la brochure INRS ed954, où un diagramme avec les différents acteurs de la chaîne d'approvisionnement sont représentés et des explications sont données.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
En espérant que ça puisse aider.
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Note added at 4 days (2021-09-21 07:40:17 GMT)
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See example in discussion thread
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Note added at 4 days (2021-09-21 09:40:07 GMT)
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"Fournisseur" est le terme géneral regroupant les importateurs, les distributeurs, voire les utilisateurs en aval.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: do you have any indication that all this is relevant for this specific ST?
2 days 4 hrs
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Hi Daryo, there is no such things as specific for SDS. SDS are standard documents. I added an explanation in the discussion thread to show a concrete example.
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Kim Metzger
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Anthony, for your explanation and reference file."
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2 hrs
English term (edited):
commissioner of a lead-acid battery
les préparateurs (pour l'utilisation) d'accumulateurs au plomb / de batteries
the sense of "to commission" HERE is the same as in "commissioning" a newly build factory - making it ready for its intended (/"for real") use.
lead-acid battery are often delivered dry without the sulphuric acid in them, so before you can start using them you need to "commission them" i.e. fill them with acid.
In the real world ONLY lead-acid batteries need this kind of "commissioning", other types of batteries are already "ready for use" when they cross the factory gates.
Can't see what else could make any sense - what other kind of "commissioning / commissioner" would involve giving a "material safety sheet" together with delivered batteries.
lead-acid battery are often delivered dry without the sulphuric acid in them, so before you can start using them you need to "commission them" i.e. fill them with acid.
In the real world ONLY lead-acid batteries need this kind of "commissioning", other types of batteries are already "ready for use" when they cross the factory gates.
Can't see what else could make any sense - what other kind of "commissioning / commissioner" would involve giving a "material safety sheet" together with delivered batteries.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Over-interpretation
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Was a wrong assumption - will not remove this answer, will leave it as example how (limited context + a term with many entirely different meanings) can lead in strange directions.
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commanditaire
Isn't that what we'd normally say in this sort of context? I'm assuming it is 'the person who has commissioned the production of this MSDS'
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Here is just one of very many Google hits where 'commissioner' is used in exactly this sense; the point being that the person commissioning the MSDS may not necessarily always be the actual manufacturer (as happend fortuitously to be the case here)
Safety Data Sheetshttp://sds.staples.com › msdsPDF
Tel:+86-769-3893 3228
Fax:+86-769-3893 3229
E-mail: [email protected].
Safety Data Sheet (SDSs).
Type/Mode.
Commissioned by.
Commissioner address.
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This is all about who commissioned the writing of the MSDS — perhaps counter-intuitively, it isn't necessarily always the manufacturer!
But to anyone in the field, this is standrad terminology — in EN, at any rate; less sure about FR, though it is certainly used.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2021-09-17 10:16:37 GMT)
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Here is just one of very many Google hits where 'commissioner' is used in exactly this sense; the point being that the person commissioning the MSDS may not necessarily always be the actual manufacturer (as happend fortuitously to be the case here)
Safety Data Sheetshttp://sds.staples.com › msdsPDF
Tel:+86-769-3893 3228
Fax:+86-769-3893 3229
E-mail: [email protected].
Safety Data Sheet (SDSs).
Type/Mode.
Commissioned by.
Commissioner address.
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Note added at 9 hrs (2021-09-17 16:27:14 GMT)
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This is all about who commissioned the writing of the MSDS — perhaps counter-intuitively, it isn't necessarily always the manufacturer!
But to anyone in the field, this is standrad terminology — in EN, at any rate; less sure about FR, though it is certainly used.
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Tony. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Daryo
: also with you explanation, after some checking I skipped the first time around. OTOH a clearer formulation might be possible.
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Thanks, Daryo! Though I can't agree with your explanation.
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Kim Metzger
2 days 12 hrs
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Thanks, Kim!
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1 day 12 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Works in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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auteur (de la commande)
Term: commissioner
Term: auteur de la commande
Reliability: 3
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/slideshow/1631993683328/873174/...
This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by the commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy
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Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux piles [type de pile] fournies par l'auteur (de la commande) (XYZ) qui [sont] fabriquées par XYZ. L'auteur (de la commande) fournit les informations relatives à la composition des piles, et en garantit l'intégrité et l'exactitude.
Term: auteur de la commande
Reliability: 3
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/slideshow/1631993683328/873174/...
This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by the commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy
->
Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux piles [type de pile] fournies par l'auteur (de la commande) (XYZ) qui [sont] fabriquées par XYZ. L'auteur (de la commande) fournit les informations relatives à la composition des piles, et en garantit l'intégrité et l'exactitude.
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Johannes. |
3 days 15 hrs
English term (edited):
commissioner (***OF THIS DATA SHEET***)
Fiche préparée à la demande de // Demandeur // Client [du laboratoire de cerficification]
personally I prefer
"Fiche préparée à la demande de:"
with a large enough sample of various "data sheets"
(1) -- for lithium-ion batteries and
(2) -- containing verbatim the text "The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy"
the fog is gone.
In these Data Sheets "the commissioner" is the company that has "commissioned" an authorised laboratory/testing centre to prepare a "data sheet" for their product.
In the samples found, you have one factory that keeps creating confusion as it has its own "testing centre/laboratory" so you get that factory "commissioning ITSELF" - more accurately asking its own approved / authorised / registered "testing centre" to prepare an official data sheet.
BUT you have also many other samples of data sheets issued by that same "authorised testing centre" at the request of other manufacturers, and on these data sheets there couldn't be any doubts about who or what is a "commissioner ***of a data sheet***"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q="The commissioner provides the com...
"Fiche préparée à la demande de:"
with a large enough sample of various "data sheets"
(1) -- for lithium-ion batteries and
(2) -- containing verbatim the text "The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy"
the fog is gone.
In these Data Sheets "the commissioner" is the company that has "commissioned" an authorised laboratory/testing centre to prepare a "data sheet" for their product.
In the samples found, you have one factory that keeps creating confusion as it has its own "testing centre/laboratory" so you get that factory "commissioning ITSELF" - more accurately asking its own approved / authorised / registered "testing centre" to prepare an official data sheet.
BUT you have also many other samples of data sheets issued by that same "authorised testing centre" at the request of other manufacturers, and on these data sheets there couldn't be any doubts about who or what is a "commissioner ***of a data sheet***"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q="The commissioner provides the com...
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Daryo, for your explanation and input. I'll be paying more attention to the exact type of product in the future :) I think your suggestions are among the closest, as well. |
Discussion
Another trap to avoid: "un train peut en cacher un autre" or in plain speak: if a company appears in more than one role (/ under more than one hat), you can't just conflate them.
The fact that the "commissioner" of the Data Sheet happens ALSO to be a supplier (and manufacturer and ...) DOES NOT mean that you can simply equate the two.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
It uses the standard text format. In this case Emergostar B.V is the commissioner and Hangzhou EmergoEast Trading Co., Ltd. is the manufacturer.
See Emergostar B.V website:
https://www.emergostar.com/en/
Clearly, Emergostar B.V is a “fournisseur/distributeur” of the product and not a company specialised in the writing of SDS.
Unfortunately I don't have any details except that they're lithium-ion batteries.
Florence,
Thanks for the input.
Or some kind of special/custom order?
What are these batteries supposed to be used for?
To build a bank of back-up batteries?
This "material safety sheet" goes with each individual battery offered for sale OR it's part of the paperwork that goes with a bank of back-up batteries installed by this "commissioner"?
Details, details ... the devil is in the details!
What is sure one way or another is that "batteries [type de batterie] fournies par l'émetteur de la commande" makes about as much sense as "price paid by the seller" - can't work.