Glossary entry

Albanian term or phrase:

ana objektive dhe ana subjektive

English translation:

objective and subjective standards

Added to glossary by Karen Murdarasi
Dec 15, 2021 21:14
2 yrs ago
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Albanian term

ana objektive dhe ana subjektive

Albanian to English Law/Patents Law (general)
I have a very badly written document in which a lawyer is trying to argue that a case against the client should be dismissed. A phrase that I have not been able to find an adequate translation for is "ana objektive dhe ana subjektive". I will give the full sentences below, but I can't give much context because its really not clear what the lawyer is trying to refer to. (The spelling mistakes are in the original.)

"Ne kete rast mungojne dy elementet kryeosore, ana objektive dhe subjective e kesaj vepre, ku mungesa e tyre sjelle mungesen e vepres. Ne momentin qe nuk kemi anen objective dhe subjective nuk kemi as veper penale per subjektin qe ne perfaqesojme."

I could translate it "objective and subjective elements" or "objective and subjective sides/faces" but that doesn't seem to make much sense. Any suggestions?

Discussion

Edlira Lloha Dec 16, 2021:
Që të provohet se ekziston vepra penale duhet të provohen disa elemente të saj, të cilat janë pesë. Ndonjëherë, thjeshtohen në vetëm katër. Në versionin e thjeshtuar [më i lehtë për t’u mbajtur mend], katër elementet e veprës penale janë: a) objekti (marrëdhënia shoqërore që ligji penal, synon të mbrojë, supozojmë ‘pronësia’, për shembull në veprat penale kundër pronësisë); b) subjekti (individi që kryen veprën penale, me të gjithë përbërësit e tij, mosha, gjendja mendore, etj); c) ana objektive që konsiston në rrethanat e kryerjes së veprës penale (vendi, koha, mjeti [arma], modus operandi [mënyra e veprimit], etj); d) ana subjektive (dashja, pakujdesia, etj). Pra, ana objektive, përfshin një grup elementesh që tregojnë se vepra penale ka ndodhur vërtet (ka një vend, ka një kohë, ka një instrument, ka një mënyrë veprimi, etj), kurse ana subjektive do të thotë, që personi, ose e ka kryer veprën me dashje, ose e ka parashikuar kryerjen e veprës dhe e ka lënë të ndodhë, ose do të duhej ta parashikonte.
Karen Murdarasi (asker) Dec 15, 2021:
Looking at the rest of the argument, the lawyer /may/ be trying to say that the client did not commit the crime, and neither did the client have the responsibility of preventing it. That may be what is meant by "objektive" and "subjektive" but it's not clear. In that case, would something like "direct and indirect responsibility" or "direct or indirect fault" be appropriate?

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objective and subjective standards

"The subjective standard requires the prosecutor to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this accused intended his or her actions while the objective standard requires the prosecutor to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a reasonable person would have not acted as the accused did in the circumstances of the case."

Standard [law] definition: something established by authority, custom, or general consent as a model, example, or point of reference [the of the reasonable person].
Note from asker:
Thanks, Bajram, that makes a lot of sense.
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15 mins

objective and subjective sides

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Objective or subjective mens rea (elements)

Kjo ka te beje me aspektin e rrethanave ne te cilat kryhet nje veper penale, dhe shqyrtimin e tyre sipas parimit te objektivitetit dhe subjektivitetit.


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Note added at 12 hrs (2021-12-16 09:57:49 GMT)
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Sorry 'and' instead of 'or'

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Note added at 12 hrs (2021-12-16 10:00:12 GMT)
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Elementet e veprës penale ndahen ne 1) elemente objektive dhe 2)subjektive. Nderkaq elementet objektive ndahen ne 1.1formale dhe 1.2 materiale.

https://sites.google.com/site/juridikal/fusha-te-se-drejtes/...
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objective and subjective aspects

l would agree with 'objective and subjective elements' or 'objective and subjective aspects'
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