Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Mar 20, 2006 18:30
18 yrs ago
Chinese term
求和派
Chinese to English
Other
Government / Politics
Palestine
巴方内部以法塔赫为主的温和派,和求和派
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +4 | Dove/pro-pacific wing | IC -- |
3 +4 | doves / pacifists | Naikei Wong |
5 +2 | “求和”的“求”字,多少带有贬义成份,“求和派”其实就是“绥靖派” | Last Hermit |
5 +1 | peace negotiators; peace activists | Kevin Yang |
5 +1 | Peace Seekers | Bill Lao |
Proposed translations
+4
12 mins
Selected
Dove/pro-pacific wing
As it is not about a name of a political party, I use wing (as in the left/right wings) for the 派 (group of people having same political tendency).
Peer comment(s):
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Naikei Wong
4 mins
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Thanks!! Pizza tonight!! You have been staying up lately...take care!!
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agree |
Chinoise
: Tu es si travailleuse!
24 mins
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Merci!!
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agree |
Ray Luo
1 hr
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Thanks!!
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agree |
Angus Woo
: Pro-pacific wing, well done. or camp, fraternity. But I like wing.
6 hrs
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Thank you!!!
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+4
2 mins
doves / pacifists
in the general sense...
opposite of doves is hawks...
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Note added at 6 mins (2006-03-20 18:37:13 GMT)
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FYI:
From dictionary sources:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/doves
dove 1 (dv)
n.
1. Any of various widely distributed birds of the family Columbidae, which includes the pigeons, having a small head and a characteristic cooing call.
2. A gentle, innocent person.
3. A person who advocates peace, conciliation, or negotiation in preference to confrontation or armed conflict.
pac·i·fism (ps-fzm)
n.
1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.
2.
a. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
b. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action.
Hawks in Doves' Clothing - Why can't the American press tell a pro ...Hawks in Doves' Clothing. Why can't the American press tell a pro-Palestinian demonstrator from a peacenik? By Benjamin Soskis Updated Monday, April 8, ...
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Operation Dove » Israel/Occupied Palestinian TerritoriesChristian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) and Operation Dove have maintained a constant non-violent presence in the Palestinian village of At-Tuwani in Masafer Yatta ...
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Organization of News OmbudsmenA pacifist Palestinian who holds dual American and Israeli citizenship, he contends that the suicide bombers -- whose tactic he abhors -- differ from ...
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April 20th ProtestWhen the marches met up, the Palestinian march engulfed everyone else - pacifist, anti-war, anti-globalization groups alike. We were engulfed in a throng of ...
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Note added at 9 mins (2006-03-20 18:40:07 GMT)
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a "pacifist faction" is closer to "求和派"
FYI:
Beware the Neocons... who vigorously opposed the President’s stand on a future Palestinian state, as ... This is surely not enough evidence for the suicidal, pacifist faction. ...
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Radio Havana Cuba-05 March 2002 Via NY Transfer News * All the ...*ISRAEL OPPOSITION LEADER: PALESTINIAN DRIVE FOR INDEPENDENCE CAN'T BE ... The leader of the Israeli Parliament's Meretz pacifist faction insisted that the ...
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Note added at 17 mins (2006-03-20 18:47:20 GMT)
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another one is anti-war faction, but I think "pacifists / pacifist faction" is sufficient, in general...
opposite of doves is hawks...
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Note added at 6 mins (2006-03-20 18:37:13 GMT)
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FYI:
From dictionary sources:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/doves
dove 1 (dv)
n.
1. Any of various widely distributed birds of the family Columbidae, which includes the pigeons, having a small head and a characteristic cooing call.
2. A gentle, innocent person.
3. A person who advocates peace, conciliation, or negotiation in preference to confrontation or armed conflict.
pac·i·fism (ps-fzm)
n.
1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.
2.
a. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
b. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action.
Hawks in Doves' Clothing - Why can't the American press tell a pro ...Hawks in Doves' Clothing. Why can't the American press tell a pro-Palestinian demonstrator from a peacenik? By Benjamin Soskis Updated Monday, April 8, ...
slate.msn.com/?id=2064121 - 32k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
Operation Dove » Israel/Occupied Palestinian TerritoriesChristian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) and Operation Dove have maintained a constant non-violent presence in the Palestinian village of At-Tuwani in Masafer Yatta ...
www.operationdove.org/?cat=14 - 35k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
Organization of News OmbudsmenA pacifist Palestinian who holds dual American and Israeli citizenship, he contends that the suicide bombers -- whose tactic he abhors -- differ from ...
www.newsombudsmen.org/cgi-bin/ono_ article.pl?mode=view&article_id=1061833540 - 15k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
April 20th ProtestWhen the marches met up, the Palestinian march engulfed everyone else - pacifist, anti-war, anti-globalization groups alike. We were engulfed in a throng of ...
www.geocities.com/anita_job/a20.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
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Note added at 9 mins (2006-03-20 18:40:07 GMT)
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a "pacifist faction" is closer to "求和派"
FYI:
Beware the Neocons... who vigorously opposed the President’s stand on a future Palestinian state, as ... This is surely not enough evidence for the suicidal, pacifist faction. ...
wwww.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=2332 - 9k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
Radio Havana Cuba-05 March 2002 Via NY Transfer News * All the ...*ISRAEL OPPOSITION LEADER: PALESTINIAN DRIVE FOR INDEPENDENCE CAN'T BE ... The leader of the Israeli Parliament's Meretz pacifist faction insisted that the ...
www.radiohc.org/Distributions/Radio_Havana_English/.2002/ 2002_mar/Radio_Havana_Cuba-05_March_2002 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result
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Note added at 17 mins (2006-03-20 18:47:20 GMT)
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another one is anti-war faction, but I think "pacifists / pacifist faction" is sufficient, in general...
Peer comment(s):
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IC --
10 mins
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thanks! -- time for bed here! Enjoy cooking and dinner in France!!
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agree |
Chinoise
: Tu es si travailleur!
34 mins
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thanks Chinoise
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agree |
Xiaoping Fu
5 hrs
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thank you Mr. veteran!!
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neutral |
Bill Lao
: see my explanation below
6 hrs
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thanks - my concern in translation is more like getting the most obvious cognate terms in English... no other terms can beat doves and pacifists in general usages (at least in political science/ int'l relations). cheers
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agree |
Wilman
1 day 4 mins
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thanks again!
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+1
39 mins
peace negotiators; peace activists
Here are my suggestions:
the peace negotiators/peace activists = 求和派
hard-liner = 强硬派
the Moderates = 温和派
the dove = 鸽派
the hawk = 鹰派
the peace negotiators/peace activists = 求和派
hard-liner = 强硬派
the Moderates = 温和派
the dove = 鸽派
the hawk = 鹰派
Peer comment(s):
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IC --
: peace activists
11 mins
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"peace activist" 的缺点是有点群众运动的意思,而peace negotiator就有决策者的意味。
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Yi Yuan (X)
: peace activists
4 hrs
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谢谢!请看我上面的答复。
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disagree |
Bill Lao
: 和平主义者或和平运动者与求和者还是有区别的,求和是sue for peace。kevin,peace maker是和事佬!呵呵
4 hrs
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谢谢!你可以在Google上把每种建议比较一下。还有一个可以考虑的翻译是peace maker。
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neutral |
Last Hermit
: 杩欓噷鐨勨
7 hrs
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+1
4 hrs
Peace Seekers
No doubt, Peace Seekers!
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Note added at 5 hrs (2006-03-20 23:44:11 GMT)
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我感到震惊!诸位都是经验丰富,多年留洋居住留学经历的老翻译,而且很多都是从事公共英语专业或社会人文科学翻译的!doves 是鸽派, pacifists 是和平主义者,peace negotiators 是和平谈判代表,pro-pacific wing 是党团中的某一观点派别!也许温和派用doves较合适。
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Note added at 5 hrs (2006-03-20 23:46:24 GMT)
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我感到震惊!诸位都是经验丰富,多年留洋居住留学经历的老翻译,而且很多都是从事公共英语专业或社会人文科学翻译的!doves 是鸽派, pacifists 是和平主义者,peace negotiators 是和平谈判代表,pro-pacific wing 是党团中的某一观点派别!也许温和派用doves较合适。
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Note added at 6 hrs (2006-03-21 00:44:05 GMT)
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照我的理解,pacifist是“someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes”,即以反对暴力作为解决争端的手段的人,只要反对使用暴力解决争端,那么他就是和平主义者了。而“求和者”是某一争端发生了,向对方请求停止争端,求得和解、实现和平的人,比如通过求同存异(seek common points while reserving difference)的方法获得和平等等。
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Note added at 5 hrs (2006-03-20 23:44:11 GMT)
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我感到震惊!诸位都是经验丰富,多年留洋居住留学经历的老翻译,而且很多都是从事公共英语专业或社会人文科学翻译的!doves 是鸽派, pacifists 是和平主义者,peace negotiators 是和平谈判代表,pro-pacific wing 是党团中的某一观点派别!也许温和派用doves较合适。
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Note added at 5 hrs (2006-03-20 23:46:24 GMT)
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我感到震惊!诸位都是经验丰富,多年留洋居住留学经历的老翻译,而且很多都是从事公共英语专业或社会人文科学翻译的!doves 是鸽派, pacifists 是和平主义者,peace negotiators 是和平谈判代表,pro-pacific wing 是党团中的某一观点派别!也许温和派用doves较合适。
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Note added at 6 hrs (2006-03-21 00:44:05 GMT)
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照我的理解,pacifist是“someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes”,即以反对暴力作为解决争端的手段的人,只要反对使用暴力解决争端,那么他就是和平主义者了。而“求和者”是某一争端发生了,向对方请求停止争端,求得和解、实现和平的人,比如通过求同存异(seek common points while reserving difference)的方法获得和平等等。
Peer comment(s):
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Ritchest
: Arafat was a bona fide Palestinian nationalist and true seeker of peace with Israel. ... Arafat's flaws emerged very early in his leadership of the Fatah movement (the main organization of the Palestine Liberation ...
20 hrs
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thanks!
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+2
7 hrs
“求和”的“求”字,多少带有贬义成份,“求和派”其实就是“绥靖派”
绥靖,英文当是“appeasement”,那么,“求和派”应作译作“pro-appeasement”。但通常说“peace mongers”,与“war mongers”相对。“-monger”本身就带贬义,比如“rumour-mongers”即为“专事散布流言之徒”。
可是,在“巴方内部以法塔赫为主的温和派,和求和派”这个语境里,恐怕上述译法都不妥。这里,应译作“peace seekers”
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Note added at 12 hrs (2006-03-21 07:16:19 GMT)
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这里还有一个语境不能忽示。作者是谁?如果作者倾向于主战派,希望巴方以暴易暴,那这个“求和派”就可能是“peace mongers”。语气带蔑视成份。
可是,在“巴方内部以法塔赫为主的温和派,和求和派”这个语境里,恐怕上述译法都不妥。这里,应译作“peace seekers”
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Note added at 12 hrs (2006-03-21 07:16:19 GMT)
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这里还有一个语境不能忽示。作者是谁?如果作者倾向于主战派,希望巴方以暴易暴,那这个“求和派”就可能是“peace mongers”。语气带蔑视成份。
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