Aug 18, 2010 09:33
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Aug 18, 2010 12:29: leroygayle70 changed "Language pair" from "English to Hebrew" to "Hebrew to English"

Aug 18, 2010 12:30: leroygayle70 changed "Language pair" from "Hebrew to English" to "English to Hebrew"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (1): Sabine Akabayov, PhD

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Discussion

Colin Rowe Aug 18, 2010:
Hi Lingopro Many thanks indeed for a fascinating read (and for not arguing ;-) ...).
I have never understood why "Gentile" Bible translators insist on replacing the tetragrammaton with "LORD". I realise that many Jewish writers revere the name of G'd to the extent that they will write G'd rather than with an "o", change the "ה" of "אלהים" to a "ק" and even replace "Adonai" with a couple of apostrophes, but I have never been aware of Christians having any such qualms about using the name Jehovah or Yahweh. Indeed, it is commonly found in hymns. The name in the original text is so beautiful in the way it encompasses every tense of the verb "to be" (even the Hebrew spelling looks beautiful!), that it seems a shame to lose it with a rather poor substitute.
Besides, how often does the Bible tell us to "praise the NAME of the Lord". How can modern readers praise HIS name, when they do not even have the opportunity to read in the Bible what that name is?!
Lingopro Aug 18, 2010:
Hi Colin, I hear what you are saying, and am not arguing. Instead, I offer this link as an interesting read on this subject.
http://www.tetragrammaton.org/lord_and_jehovah.html
Colin Rowe Aug 18, 2010:
With Lingopro in wishing you the guidance you seek Lingopro writes: "in Christianity, lord also refers to Jesus, and then אלהים (Elohim) is inappropriate here."
Chritians would argue here for "בן אלהים" (Ben Elohim = Son of God). Most non-Christian speakers of Hebrew would no doubt disagree!
Lingopro Aug 18, 2010:
First I wish you light in your life.
I will post an answer in suggestion for an alternative to the word "sh'mor".
leroygayle70 (asker) Aug 18, 2010:
Hi,

The reason for my quetion was purely personal. I am going through a time in my life wher I feel I need some help and guidance by God, I am not a practising Christian, but do beleive the bible and its teachings. Thanks

Leroy
Lingopro Aug 18, 2010:
Leroy, You received some prettey good answers, however, I would like to ask, what is the purpose of the sentence? Is it a citation from the Bible/other literature, or for a tattoo, or anything else?
The reason I am asking is that in Christianity, lord also refers to Jesus, and then אלהים (Elohim) is inappropriate here.
There is another translation for the term "watch over", so it really depends what you need this for. Can you clarify?

Proposed translations

47 mins

אנא אלוקים תשמור עלי

Note from asker:
can you please show me how to pronounce this in english please, thank you
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49 mins

שומרני אל

כי חסיתי בך
תהילים

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-08-18 11:05:23 GMT)
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English pronunciation is more or less "shomreny el" where "el" is pronounced like in Spanish ("El Salvador" for example). Psalms 16:1. Psalms 140:5 has שומרני יהוה
Note from asker:
can you show me how to pronounce this in English please, thank you
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3 hrs

אלוהים שמור עלי

an option
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23 mins

שומרני אדוני

One possibility

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Note added at 25 mins (2010-08-18 09:58:26 GMT)
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Pronounced:
"shomreni Adonai"

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-08-18 13:08:37 GMT)
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Note:
I have opted for the term "Adonai" as the question specifically asked for "lord". Terms such as "El", "Elohim" or the artificial "Elokim" more correctly translate as "God".
"יהוה" is the so-called tetragrammaton representing the actual name of the God of the Bible, variously rendered into English as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" (or variant spellings for either of these).
All of the answers provided here that include the letters "שמר" are basically offering the same verb, literally meaning "to guard/watch over".
The noun "שומר" ("guard/watchman") comes from the same root.
Note from asker:
Thank you very much Colin
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אלהים השגח נא עלי - Elohim Hashgach na alai

The verb hashgach (ch is pronounced like the Scottish Loch - guttural sound) is used in the phrase: השגחה עליונה - hashgacha elyona, which means Providence which is: the protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.
Hashgach in itself is watch over.
The word Shmor means guard/protect.
Note from asker:
Many thanks to you again, its amazing how a simple phrase can initiate such sensible and lively debate
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