Dec 9, 2013 08:42
10 yrs ago
Finnish term
kaupunkimaisuus
Finnish to English
Social Sciences
Architecture
Urbanism
Moderni suunnittelu jätti kaupunkimaisuuden syrjään joko turmiollisena tai epäolennaisena. ... Niinpä kaupunkimaisuuden onnistunutta tuottamista kokonaan uusiin ympäristöihin voi pitää yhdyskuntasuunnittelun muutoksen lakmustestinä.
The word causing debate in the translation of an academic essay is "kaupunkimaisuus". The editor's favoured translation is "urbanness"; but I argue that word is very rarely used in academic writing, to the extent that when used it is even put in scare quotes, as in the article by J.R. Porter "On the 'urbanness' of metropolitan areas". But the author does not wish to use scare quotes.
Urbanisation (kaupungistuminen) (i.e. process), urbanity (kaupunkilaisuus) (i.e. more a case of sulavuus), urbanism (urbanismi) (used elsewhere in the article to signify the general movement, urbanism and modernism) have so far been rejected.
Any comments gladly received.
The word causing debate in the translation of an academic essay is "kaupunkimaisuus". The editor's favoured translation is "urbanness"; but I argue that word is very rarely used in academic writing, to the extent that when used it is even put in scare quotes, as in the article by J.R. Porter "On the 'urbanness' of metropolitan areas". But the author does not wish to use scare quotes.
Urbanisation (kaupungistuminen) (i.e. process), urbanity (kaupunkilaisuus) (i.e. more a case of sulavuus), urbanism (urbanismi) (used elsewhere in the article to signify the general movement, urbanism and modernism) have so far been rejected.
Any comments gladly received.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | urbanness | Spencer Allman |
5 | townscape | Desmond O'Rourke |
2 +1 | city-likeness | Timo Lehtilä |
Proposed translations
+1
3 hrs
Selected
urbanness
I would go with that
Note from asker:
Perhaps in time to come UK-English users will start using 'urbanness' more - though it seems currently to be resisted. The same may be the case with 'urbanicity', though this also has taken on a particular technical use (degree of being urban). I have chosen 'urbanness' as the best - but as a British person with also a qualification in architecture, I'm not totally happy about using the term - and in the actual translation I managed to be allowed to expand the sentences in question. Thank you! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Anu Carroll
: Another option might be "urbanicity", defined as a synonym in some sources and as a more specific term in others.
2 days 4 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+1
1 hr
city-likeness
Näkyy käytetyn jonkin verran, osin myös samassa merkityksessä kuin 'kaupunkimaisuus'. Kaivannee kuitenkin natiivin hyväksyntää.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Vladyslav Golovaty
: resemblance?
33 mins
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neutral |
Minna Helminen
: Entä jos sanan avaisi lausekkeeksi, kuten 'urban characteristics' tai vastaava?
1 hr
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neutral |
Spencer Allman
: I don't think so really
1 hr
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6 hrs
townscape
Townscape, or the visual integration of buildings in an urban setting.
Discussion
Moderni suunnittelu jätti kaupunkimaisuuden syrjään joko turmiollisena tai epäolennaisena. Modern planning discarded townscape/urbanness as either detrimental or irrelevant.
Niinpä kaupunkimaisuuden onnistunutta tuottamista kokonaan uusiin, kerralla suunniteltuihin ympäristöihin voi pitää yhdyskuntasuunnittelun muutoksen lakmustestinä. Therefore, producing successful townscape/urbanness in completely new environments planned at one go could be considered the litmus test of change in urban planning.
The problem is that 'townscape' emphasises the physical structure from more of an aesthetic point of view, whereas 'urbanness', for all its lack of use in academic writing, also covers aspects such as density and urban life. 'Townscape' might fit better in the second sentence; but again, the point being made was more than simply the aesthetic quality of the fabric. For now, the favoured choice is urbannness, though ideally it should be written differently; e.g. Modern planning discarded the process of urbanisation and the typical urban fabric as either detrimental or irrelevant.