vitesse de chargement

17:55 Jan 7, 2024

French to Portuguese translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Transport / Transportation / Shipping

French term or phrase: vitesse de chargement

Je suis désolé, ma question est à contresens, car c'est plutôt la traduction portugais vers français qui m'intéresse ... mais le portugais, je ne l'ai pas !

Je m'explique: une société française, pour laquelle je traduis un texte vers l'anglais, dit de sa filiale brésilienne (qui a sans doute rédigé le texte d'origine) que "la proximité du marché de consommation, la haute qualité de nos produits, leur disponibilité et notre vitesse de chargement" d'un certain produit (un produit 'vrac' sourcé au Brésil et livré sur le marché national brésilien) "ont été des facteurs essentiels pour la croissance rapide de cette activité".

J'ai du mal à comprendre en quoi la vitesse de chargement peut jouer ici. Et je pense que ce serait surtout la vitesse de livraison.

D'où ma question : est-ce qu'un mot portugais (brésilien) qui signifie 'chargement' peut aussi signifier 'livraison' ?
En FR PORT. les sites usuels de traduction automatisée ne proposent rien d'autre que 'chargement/carregamento'.
Mais en cherchant PORT ANGLAIS, je tombe sur 'carregamento' 'shipment' (entre autres) 'expediçao', donc je pense 'expédition', ce qui correspondrait à mon interprétation 'livraison'.

Qu'en disent les lusophones ? Merci d'avance.

Bourth KudoZ activity Questions: 2 (1 open) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 726 France
Local time: 23:35

Summary of answers provided

Rapidez no carregamento / no fornecimento

Carlos Soares da Silva

Rapidez de Entrega

Tiago Hoge

4 -1

Agilidade na entrega

Christiane Karydakis

Summary of reference entries provided

ref.

liz askew

Discussion entries: 5

Answers

24 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

Agilidade na entrega

Explanation:
Eu traduziria assim.

Christiane Karydakis
United States
Local time: 16:35
Native speaker of:

French

2 days 21 hrs confidence:

Rapidez no carregamento / no fornecimento

Explanation:
La traduction de "vitesse de chargement" par "rapidez no carregamento" est basée sur la compréhension du contexte spécifique, où il est question de fournir un produit (probablement transporté ou chargé) sur le marché brésilien. Dans ce contexte, "vitesse de chargement" est interprété comme la rapidité avec laquelle le produit est chargé ou mis à disposition pour la livraison. Ce point est un facteur clé de succès dans la productivité et rentabilité des transports

"Vitesse" se traduit ici par "rapidez" en portugais, exprimant la notion de rapidité ou de vitesse.

"Chargement" peut être traduit par "carregamento", qui se réfère au chargement ou au transport des marchandises. On peut à mon sens utiliser "fornecimento" si l'on veut donner un sens plus large à toute cette étape de la procédure commercale

Ainsi, "rapidez no carregamento" reflète la notion de la rapidité dans le processus de chargement des produits, ce qui semble pertinent dans le contexte commercial décrit.

Le texte donner quelque chose comme :
"A proximidade do mercado consumidor, a alta qualidade dos nossos produtos, a sua disponibilidade e a nossa rapidez no carregamento têm sido fatores essenciais para o rápido crescimento desta atividade, que envolve um produto a granel proveniente do Brasil e entregue no mercado nacional brasileiro."

Carlos Soares da Silva
Portugal
Local time: 22:35
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Portuguese

35 days confidence:

Rapidez de Entrega

Explanation:
Je pense que la solution serait "rapidez de entrega", car il s'agit dune livraison ou un "delivery" de l'enterprise,pas exactement un chargement.

Example sentence(s):

A rapidez de entrega foi o benefício decisivo para a conclusão da negociação.

Tiago Hoge
Brazil
Local time: 18:35
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

Reference comments

4 hrs

Reference: ref.

Reference information:
Bras de Chargement Terrestre - EMCO Wheaton
emcowheaton.com
https://www.emcowheaton.com › fr-fr
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... ****loading-and-unloading. CHARGEMENT ET DÉCHARGEMENT ****PAR LE BAS. Les bras de transfert par le bas sont spécialement conçus pour charger des produits où le retour ...

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Container loaders for bulk products - Ehcolo
ehcolo.com
https://ehcolo.com › container-loading-bulk-products
We have extensive experience with loading ship containers with bulk products, where the container is equipped with a container in-liner.

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Os diferentes tipos de Ship Loaders e suas aplicações
tecnomira.com.br
https://tecnomira.com.br › os-difere...
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13 Nov 2023 — Saiba como os tipos de ship loaders, máquinas especializadas, podem otimizar o ****carregamento de produtos a granel****em portos e terminais ...

je ne sais pas si c'est ce que vous cherchez

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https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/la vitess...

la vitesse de déchargement

unloading time.

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https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/la vitess...

Dans tous les ports, la vitesse de chargement et de déchargement accélère. Seul un système éprouvé tel que ecomatmobile peut suivre.
ifmefector.net

In all ports and harbours the loading and unloading speed increases.

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chargement en vrac = bulk load

https://www.linguee.com/french-english/translation/chargemen...

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https://www.blog.cgp-coating.com/en/post/bulk-loading-vs-sli...

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https://setcesp.org.br/noticias/tempo-medio-de-carga-e-desca...

Tempo médio de carga e descarga é o desafio das transportadoras

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Carga a granel - DatamarNews
datamarnews.com
https://www.datamarnews.com › car...
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25 Oct 2023 — *******Velocidade de carga e descarga: O manuseio de carga a granel *****pode ser mais rápido do que lidar com produtos embalados, o que ajuda a ...

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but loading is what is implied here.

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how can "chargement" be delivery when the Portuguese for delivery bears no resemblance:

DELIVERY | Portuguese translation - Cambridge Dictionary
cambridge.org
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › english-portuguese
5 days ago — DELIVERY translate: entrega, envio, entrega, parto, entrega [feminine], fornecimento [masculine], parto [masculine].

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https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/chargement/14...
chargement

nom masculin

1. Action de charger un moyen de transport, un animal, de charger un appareil, une machine, une arme, etc. : Assister au chargement du bateau. Chargement d'une machine à laver.
2. Ensemble des choses chargées, transportées : Le camion a perdu une partie de son chargement.

Synonymes :

cargaison - charge - fret
3. Pli ou paquet contenant une valeur et pour lequel l'expéditeur veut se garantir contre les risques de spoliation, de perte ou de détérioration. (Les chargements postaux [lettres, boîtes ou paquets avec valeur déclarée] doivent faire l'objet d'un dépôt obligatoire au guichet, contre reçu, et sont soumis à diverses formalités.)

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why change what is in front of you??

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rapid delivedry = entrega rapida
in Portuguese

this in no way reflects the French and how can you change something without proof? You are just making assumptions

https://www.linguee.com/portuguese-english/translation/entre...

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Well, whatever you believe, you should submit your evidence.
Or even find the original Portuguese from Brasil.

You could equally assume the text has been written by head office.

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It has just occurred to me that if you don't want answers in Portuguese, you should post this on the Fr-Fr or Fr-En forum?

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final reference in Portugues!!

https://www.linguee.com.br/portugues-ingles/traducao/aumenta...

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I will admit that "delivery speed" is on En sites, but this is not the same as the sources I have quoted.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thanks Liz. It's true that loading is part of delivery, but speed of loading is not everything, since something loaded (onto a truck, ship, wagon) can then sit in a yard/harbour, take a circuitous route, etc. and be delivered anything but quickly, which does customers no good. I'm trying to get back to what the Portuguese that produced vitesse de chargement might have been and if it could reasonably have been translated more along the lines of 'delivery'. Armed with information along those lines, I can then go back to the customer and suggest they rethink their (into-French) translation.

Asker: Why change what is in front of me? Come, come, you know better than that! Why? Because that's what I do, and customers are grateful for it. When a text is illogical, there can be many reasons for it. When you know or suspect the text you are translating was originally in a third language, the possibility of poor translation (into French in my case) is often the first place to look. This is something I deal with regularly with several customers, notably with translations from Dutch or German into French where something has gone awry; in fact, with some I find myself translating (into English) texts in French that have been poorly translated from ... English (sometimes Indian or Japanese, etc. English, etc., sometimes real-native-tongue English). Were I simply to translate 'what is in front of me', my English rendition would ludicrous - and I don't want people suspecting ME of getting the translation wrong. In such cases I'm generally successful in tracking down the original English on the Ouèbbhe, often from different sources, identifying where and why mistakes were made in the French translation, and piecing it all together so it makes sense in English. When the French is also to be published, I point out the problems and suggest corrections. Customers often then rewrite their French to align their text on my English adaptation of their original French! Translation is not about just 'translating the words'. I'm not 'making assumptions'. I am envisaging the possibility that the French translation is not as accurate as it could be. If colleagues confirm that there are grounds for my suspicion, I will refer the matter to the customer (but provide alternative translations for them to choose from).

Asker: Thanks for your lively interest in this problem, Liz. It definitely originates in Brazil. I don't want answers in Portuguese because I don't speak the language. I assume that any FR to/from PORT. translator here can respond in French. Asking Fr-Fr or Fr-En translators would not help me get to the root of the problem, unless they are equally conversant with Portuguese. As it is, the Ouèbbhe seems to have come to the rescue, and I have posted in Discussion some examples showing that 'carregamento' (assuming that is the original word) can indeed be translated by 'livraison / envoi', 'spedizione', and a host of similar meanings in other languages. I would have liked human confirmation though. I can know go back to the customer and say with some confidence that I think 'vitesse de livraison' would be better.

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