Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Formalgedanklich grob geordnet

English translation:

in terms of structure/form/patterning, thoughts loosely/barely/roughly ordered

Added to glossary by Esther Park
Jan 24, 2012 19:26
12 yrs ago
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German term

Formalgedanklich grob geordnet

German to English Medical Psychology
From the psychology exam portion of a patient report:
"Formalgedanklich grob geordnet, inhaltlich muten wahnideen an (ängste, verfolgungsideen, vergiftung ideen)."

Discussion

Robin Clauss Sep 5, 2023:
Roughly structured in terms of form, the content seems delusional (fears, ideas of persecution, ideas of poisoning)
Helen Shiner Jan 24, 2012:
formal The 'formal' here should not be translated as 'formal'. It has to do with the structure or the form of the thought processes as opposed to their content, as is made clear in the GER.

Proposed translations

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in terms of structure/form/patterning, thoughts loosely/barely/roughly ordered

See my discussion comments.

In terms of content ...

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Note added at 4 days (2012-01-29 10:07:53 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, rehtsep
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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roughly organized formal thought processes

See the Wikipedia link and it's English counterpart.
Peer comment(s):

agree Usch Pilz
16 mins
Thank you, Usch
agree Ioana Claudia Popa
27 mins
Thank you, Iona
agree Johanna Timm, PhD : i wonder if one could use "intact" for geordnet, i.e. "essentially intact"?
1 hr
Thanks. I wasn't sure if "grob" was meant positively or negatively. I'm sure you know best.
neutral Helen Shiner : I can't agree with 'formal' here.
2 hrs
Thanks, I'll look at the German wiki more carefully when I have a minute.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

form and control of thought

Formale Denkstörungen (FDS)= disorders of form and control of thought
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_german/law:_patents_tra...

"Klinisch werden Störungen der Sprachproduktion und des Denkens als formale Denkstörungen (FDS) bezeichnet, im Gegensatz zu inhaltlichen Denkstörungen wie z. B. Wahn [...] oder Zwangsgedanken. Dazu zählen die Geschwindigkeit der Gedankenproduktion, die Art und Weise der Gedankenverknüpfung und die Frage, in welchen Kontext sie gestellt werden. Ebenso beinhaltet der Begriff, mit welcher Auswahl von Begriffen und welcher Syntax die Gedanken formuliert, in Sprache umgesetzt und so mit der Außenwelt kommuniziert werden."

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g523878660312jj1/
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Anne Schulz : also with your comment on Susan's answer
15 mins
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