Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Greek term or phrase:
εξαιτίας αποκλίσεων στο καδρόνιασμα
English translation:
due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber
Greek term
εξαιτίας αποκλίσεων στο καδρόνιασμα
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4 | due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber | Peter Close |
4 | due to variations in the inclination of battens | transphy |
Sep 14, 2016 06:52: Assimina Vavoula changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/76120">Assimina Vavoula's</a> old entry - "εξαιτίας αποκλίσεων στο καδρόνιασμα"" to ""due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber""
Sep 14, 2016 06:52: Assimina Vavoula changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/76120">Assimina Vavoula's</a> old entry - "εξαιτίας αποκλίσεων στο καδρόνιασμα"" to ""due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber""
Proposed translations
due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber
By ‘support timber’, I mean ‘rafters, beams and battens’.
If you Google “καδρόνια στέγης”, with the inverted commas, you will see pictures of square or round or rectangular beams that are suitable for use both as rafters and battens.
The following definitions of “καδρόνι”, “καδρονιάζω” and “καδρόνιασμα”, could apply equally for rafters or beams or battens:
http://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/modern_greek/tools/le...
This is also the case with these definitions:
καδρόνι (το) ουσ.1) (χτ.) ξύλινο δοκάρι με τετράγωνο κόψιμο [< ιταλ.: quadrone] 2) (ξυλ., χτ.) μεγάλο και χοντρό ξύλο κατάλληλα επεξεργασμένο να έχει ορθογώνιο σχήμα
καδρονιάζω ρ. 1) (χτ., ξυλ.) επενδύω, στρώνω μια επιφάνεια με καδρόνια 2) επεξεργάζομαι κομμάτι ξύλου ώστε να έχει τέσσερις έδρες, το μετατρέπω σε καδρόνι
καδρόνιασμα (το) ουσ. 1) (χτ) η επίστρωση μιας επιφάνειας με καδρόνια 2) (ξυλ., χτ.) η επεξεργασία ενός δοκαριού ή ενός ξύλου έτσι ώστε να πάρει το σχήμα καδρονιού
The above definitions are from:
http://christosbletsas2.blogspot.gr/2011/08/blog-post_28.htm...
Therefore, I think that one cannot restrict καδρόνιασμα to apply only to rafters or only to battens and must describe it as I have done in my answer.
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Note added at 2 days14 hrs (2016-09-12 05:15:58 GMT)
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When cross-checking this answer, please be sure to do so for “καδρόνια στέγης” because the terms appear to apply equally to the timber used for floors, walls and roofs in Greek, whereas the corresponding English words are different for floors and roofs.
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Note added at 2 days15 hrs (2016-09-12 05:46:39 GMT)
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Although the Νέο Λεξικό Τεχνικών Ορών του Νικόλαου Πανταζή gives the meanings of ‘καδρόνι’ to be ‘rafter’ or ‘beam’, and the meanings of ‘δοκάρι’ to be ‘balk’, ‘batten’, ‘baulk’, ‘beam’, ‘scaffold’, ‘joist’, ‘lathe-batten’, ‘rafter’, ‘spar’, ‘strut’, ‘transom’, I think that this simply confuses the issue further, especially as the same dictionary gives the meaning of ‘δοκάρι στήριξης στέγης’ to be ‘straining beam’ and ‘δοκίδα’ to be ‘batten’, ‘beam’, ‘cross-girder’, ‘lathe-batten’, etc.
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Note added at 2 days16 hrs (2016-09-12 07:02:27 GMT)
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Needless to say, this revised answer is mainly based on the information given to me by experienced Greek architects described in my discussion entries of yesterday evening. Although they said that the term καδρόνιασμα applies mainly to the shaping of timber beams to be used as rafters in traditional style Greek homes, I have found additional information on the Internet to indicate that it is also used for the shaping of other categories of support timber.
due to variations in the inclination of battens
These are the timber strips which are placed on top of the roof rafters( the large timbers making up the structure of the roof) to sit the roof tiles on, and nail them down.
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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2016-09-11 13:34:49 GMT)
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Mr. Close. The below is the theory of making roofs. In my time of making roofs we used A-grade timber rafters and we lined them up properly and correctly, from top to top and bottom to bottom. It was on the battens, which are thinner timber , we used to find warping and bending. I made roofs Mr. Close. How many, if any, have you made. Go on, dig more to find more so you can put people down. It's your 'Act'.
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Peter Close
: Πανταζής Νέο Λεξικό Τεχνικών Ορών: Καδρόνι = rafter or beam
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See Wikipedia, 'Roof rafters'
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Discussion
My final answer is “due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber” for the reasons that I gave in my revised answer of this morning.
I apologise for the changes, but I researched this extremely thoroughly over the weekend, and although an extremely experienced Greek architect told me that the term applied to “due to variations as how the unfinished beams were “squared off” or “processed” or “shaped”, I was not entirely convinced that this was the only possible answer and therefore I revised that answer this morning.
If the house in your text is an old-style Greek house, then, “due to variations as how the unfinished beams were “squared off” or “processed” or “shaped” “ is probably the more accurate answer, but, if it is not an old style Greek house, then my revised answer of this morning is probably safer.
due to variations (or irregularities) in the shape of the support timber
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this one
due to variations as how the unfinished beams were “squared off” or “processed” or “shaped”.
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Have a great day.. and week, of course.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="complex rafters"&biw=1093...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_roof_shapes
https://www.localarchitectsdirect.co.uk/seven-deadly-sins-tr...
http://www.contractortalk.com/f80/insulating-rafters-complex...
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-roof...
Rafters form the base of a roof’s frame and if you combine a number of different rafter types or configurations into a complex roof frame in order to give a roof a special shape you are going to get differences or variations of rafter arrangement or alignment in one and the same roof which will lead to differences or variations of batten arrangement or alignment. Battens are fastened to rafters and so you will only get variations in batten alignment if there are similar variations in the rafters to which the battens are attached.
http://www.carpentry-pro-framer.com/roof-rafters.html
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=roof shapes&biw=1093&bih=4...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="complex roof" rafters&biw...
http://www.tra.org.uk/project.php?id=35
http://melingoed.co.uk/roof-trusses/trussed-rafter-roofs/
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="complex rafters"&biw=1093...
(To be continued)
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