Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

canzone colta

English translation:

cultured song/music

Added to glossary by Anna ZANNELLA
Mar 1, 2013 16:40
11 yrs ago
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Italian term

canzone colta

Italian to English Other Music
I always find it confusing when Italians need to intergrate English words into their texts. It always reads as something else. I am checking that this is not merely "songs from Jazz", ie Jazz songs. Thanks.

"I suoi interessi vanno dal repertorio classico colto del Novecento alla musica sperimentale, per arrivare *al jazz alla canzone colta* e al vasto patrimonio della musica brasiliana."
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Discussion

haribert Mar 4, 2013:
Hi, what about "higher music"?
Perry Meisel - ‎2009 - 224 pagine
But the crux of Adorno's dismissal of jazz and, by implication, of blues tradition as
a whole, comes in an astonishing passage on the difference between “higher
music” and “popular” in the Introduction to the Sociology of Music. I have quoted ...
Anna ZANNELLA (asker) Mar 4, 2013:
al jazz alla canzone colta .... I think this might be the correct direction .... "Cultured music, also "serious music", as opposed to "popular music", refers to those kinds of music which are developed, complex and advanced to such an extent that a considerable amount of training in music theory is deemed necessary not only to play it but often also to correctly appreciate it. Cultured music also relies on written musical notation. The term is usually synonymous with classical music, although contemporary experimental "art music" is often also included. Some people believe that jazz is complex enough to fit the description while others disagree. The term "cultured music" as opposed to "popular music" remains therefore obscure, especially because the borders between popular and classical or "art" music are not always clear-cut."
TrishCivitella Mar 2, 2013:
Although, pop artists can still be singer/songwriters...
philgoddard Mar 1, 2013:
It sounds something like a ballad or a protest song.
haribert Mar 1, 2013:
Hi, I think that "colta" in this case means the 'opposite' of "popular"...maybe in the sense of "canzone d'autore" (auteur songs)...

http://www-3.unipv.it/cim/specialistica/07-08/fpm/12 dispens...
È opportuno ricordare che quando distinguiamo tra “colto” e “popolare” non intendiamo la cultura come una etichetta di
superiorità intellettiva, concessa a chi ha studiato, a chi sa, ma neppure come una sorta di modalità riflessa e puramente
razionale tipica solo dei ceti privilegiati; bensì come indagine sentimentale ed etica in divenire nella struttura sociale.
Allo stesso modo il canto popolare non è casuale invenzione di beceri sconosciuti e operazione di ingenui o dilettanti, ma
espressione originale, influenza di tensioni e pulsioni primarie.
La connotazione fondamentale della “canzone colta” è la ricerca di moduli e forme: il suo crescere o cedere o sbandare
nella lezione della cronaca e della storia. La connotazione del “canto popolare” è la sua fissità, la sua massima spontaneità,
quel suo essere “alle radici”. Ma è altresì chiaro che anche il canto popolare ha a che fare col “nuovo” e gli si pone contro
e gli va incontro con un’antica saggezza ch

Proposed translations

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cultured song/music

While this seems to be an obvious guess, I actually saw quite a lot of hits for it. It seems to be partly the folk era, but I think it includes other styles and blends with jazz also...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I giigled this and foound a very detailed explanation of what it was including its relationship and comparison to jazz. Thank you. "
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singer-songwriter

I think your text is missing a comma, in the sense that it lists a series of musical genres - classical, experimental, jazz, the singer-songwriter and Brazilian.

I suppose you could also translate it as "folk music", although this may tie you too much to artists like Joni Mitchell or James Taylor. Folk-pop might be another possibility, thinking of artists like James Morrison or Damien Rice.

"Even if the first internationally renowned cantautore was Domenico Modugno with his song "Volare" in 1958, currently the two most famous cantautori in Italy are Fabrizio De André and Francesco Guccini...Their songs are still popular today. In his works he often told stories of marginalized and rebellious people. In Italy they are considered as poets because of the quality of their lyrics.
Among the other best known are Paolo Conte, Gino Paoli, Roberto Vecchioni, Lucio Dalla, Francesco De Gregori, Claudio Lolli, Franco Battiato, Rino Gaetano, Ivan Graziani and Ivano Fossati.
Of the younger generation of artists, Samuele Bersani, Jovanotti, Carmen Consoli, Daniele Silvestri, Cristina Donà, Max Gazzè, Luciano Ligabue, Vinicio Capossela, and Zucchero have often been tagged as modern cantautori."
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auteur music/song

I think that "musica colta" is the opposite of "musica popolare" (folk song) but I don't know how it is called in English

I think that in this context also "auteur music or song" may be right

http://www-3.unipv.it/cim/specialistica/07-08/fpm/12 dispens...

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Ute Lemper | Teatro Regio di Torino
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www.teatroregio.torino.it/node/852 - Copia cache
... us on an introspective journey where a great deal of memories emerge, from
the cabarets of Berlin to those of Chicago, passing from jazz to the auteur song.

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I agree with Fiona: there is probably a comma missing...

"colta" may also be in the sense of "refined"... Maybe something like "refined music".?

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Luca Cerchiari, Laurent Cugny, Franz Kerschbaumer - ‎2012 - 484 pagine
On your last two cds of ''refined'' music—andI don't mean to say jazz is less
refined, but the distinction has to be made in terms of common understanding—
released in 2010 (Gaslini Sinfonico and Piano Sonata Décollage e A.), you
reversed ...
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