oggetto e soggetto

16:41 Sep 7, 2007

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Italian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. / lavoro povertà

Italian term or phrase: oggetto e soggetto

Here's the context:
Affrontare il tema della grave marginalità adulta ci permette di definire alcune specificità intorno al tema del lavoro che è necessario sviscerare per comprendere un rapporto difficile, spesso problematico tra oggetto e soggetto.
And this is my translation so far:
"To address the issue of extreme adult emargination allows us to define a few specificities of the issue of work which must be examined in every detail in order to understand the difficult and often problematic relationship between work and workers."
I can't see any other effective way of translating it without transposing the abstract into the concrete. Is the interpretation right? Help is welcome?

James (Jim) Davis KudoZ activity Questions: 207 (none open) (3 without valid answers) (21 closed without grading) Answers: 8930 Seychelles
Local time: 09:16

Summary of answers provided

2 +3

object and subject

Skygirl

3 +1

object and subject

Salloz

object and subject

Rita Bilancio

work and adult operator

Victor Cauchi

Discussion entries: 4

Answers

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

object and subject

Explanation:
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Skygirl
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:16
Native speaker of:

English,

Latvian

Notes to answerer

Asker: I'd have difficulty knowing what that meant in English.

Asker: I mean that grammatically it is fine, but the subject, the materia oggetto di studio, di azione, the subject matter, is often translated with oggetto in Italian.

9 mins confidence:

object and subject

Explanation:
literal but I think effective

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject-object_problem
Reference: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/philosophy_psychiatry_and_psych...

Rita Bilancio
Local time: 07:16
Native speaker of:

Italian

Notes to answerer

Asker: That is fine for people who have studied philosophy, such as many Italians who have studied it in school, but its not taught in UK schools, which leaves a very slender minority of university philosophy graduates.

16 mins confidence:

work and adult operator

Explanation:
The subject is the marginalized adult worker. The word operator is used to signify a different term from worker.

Victor Cauchi
Malta
Local time: 07:16
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Maltese,

English

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

object and subject

Explanation:
I believe, it is better to be loyal to the original as much as possible.

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Note added at 11 hrs (2007-09-08 03:54:46 GMT)
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Our job is to convey as close as possible the meaning, register and style of the original author. If he waxes philosophycal or uses extremely technical terminology, it is NOT our job to water down or "make easier" his text. If he says oggetto e soggetto, that means object and subject.

Salloz
Mexico
Local time: 23:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish

Notes to answerer

Asker: "l'oggetto di una lettera" is "the subject of a letter" while the "object of a letter" is its purpose. Where does your loyalty, or I would say "faithfulness" take you with this, because this is my dilemna here?

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