w drodze za

English translation: on the road, past / after passing

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Polish term or phrase:	w drodze za
English translation:	on the road, past / after passing
Entered by:	Timoshka

04:28 Feb 20, 2019

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Social Sciences - History

Polish term or phrase: w drodze za

I'm trying to decipher an old Polish death record from 1822. There is one section that is difficult to figure out: "...i oświadczyli nam iż w drodze za Żychlinem [z okazji a mar---ią] się w Wodzie dnia trzynastego bieżącego miesiąca i Roku o godzinie dziesiątej przed południem Umarł Michał N..." The part in brackets is only my best guess. I'm guessing the deceased was found dead on the road (near?) Żychlin...in the water, but that's about the best I can do. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Timoshka KudoZ activity Questions: 429 (3 open) (13 without valid answers) (13 closed without grading) Answers: 12
Local time: 20:02

on the road, past / after passing

Explanation:
"za" is more specific than "near"

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Tomasz Poplawski
Local time: 20:02

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on the road, past / after passing

Tomasz Poplawski

Discussion entries: 12

Andrzej Mierzejewski

Poland

@Timoshka

11:09 Feb 28, 2019

"I would gladly show you the record, but not sure how or where to post it?"

You may like to try this: https://www.dropbox.com/ . A big number of similar sites exists.

Andrzej Mierzejewski

Poland

15:22 Feb 21, 2019

:-)

Robert Foltyn

Poland

@Andrzej

13:19 Feb 21, 2019

Andrzej, ja zaoferowałem Askerce pomoc w odczytaniu tego dokumentu (bo bardzo lubię głowić się nad starymi rękopisami) i dostałem od niej skan tego dokumentu. Stąd wiem, że sprawa miała miejsce 13 marca 1822 r. Mogło być cholernie zimno :)

Timoshka

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@ Andrzej Mierzejewski

13:17 Feb 21, 2019

The document dates from mid-March 1822, so it very well could have been cold. I agree that there is no way to extract the details of his end from this short phrase, but I'm grateful to you and Robert Foltyn for your help in clarifying this phrase for me!

Andrzej Mierzejewski

Poland

11:06 Feb 21, 2019

" z okazji z maczania się w Wodzie" could mean: he fell into water... - whatever water the author meant, whether a river or just a small and shallow puddle in the road. If the temperature was low (what month?), that could be a sufficient reason for getting cold etc. until the sad end. We will never know the details.

Timoshka

ASKER

01:21 Feb 21, 2019

Just found this in "Słownik Gwar Polskich" (1906): "Peplać się = maczać się, nurzać się, pluskać się w wodzie..." So maybe the deceased died "on the road past Żychlin, having immersed himself (or plunged) into the water on the thirteenth day of the current month and year..."

Timoshka

ASKER

@ Robert Foltyn

15:06 Feb 20, 2019

Thank you! I appreciate and agree with your interpretation. However, it still looks like "z maczania" to me, since I can't see another "a" in there... :-)

Robert Foltyn

Poland

@Timoshka

15:02 Feb 20, 2019

I sent you my interpretation to your private e-mail address. For everyone to know, the document reads: "... w drodze za Żychlinem z okazyi zamaczania się w wodzie dnia... umarł Michał..."

Timoshka

ASKER

@ Andrzej Mierzejewski

13:26 Feb 20, 2019

I found a better copy of the record. Line 5 now looks more like this to me: "w drodze za Żychlinem z okazji z maczania się w Wodzie..." Does that help any?

Timoshka

ASKER

13:21 Feb 20, 2019

I would gladly show you the record, but not sure how or where to post it?

geopiet

„w drodze” może również znaczyć

10:54 Feb 20, 2019

that this person has died/passed "during the trip", or "while travelling" near or around Żychlin ...

przyłączam się do prośby Andrzeja ....

Andrzej Mierzejewski

Poland

@Timoshka

08:31 Feb 20, 2019

Could you show this record? I have some doubts concerning "[z okazji a mar---ią] się w Wodzie".

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on the road, past / after passing

Explanation:
"za" is more specific than "near"

Tomasz Poplawski
Local time: 20:02
Native speaker of: Polish
PRO pts in category: 8

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