Apr 10, 2017 14:51
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This occurs in a letter from the artist Valentin Serov to Tsar Nicholas II at the time of the 1905 revolution:
Все население России, задыхаясь в тисках бюрократического произвола,
доведшего нашу родину до полного разорения и способствовавшего целому
ряду поражений нашей армии более, чем усилиями внешних врагов, ждет не
дождется того единственного выхода из невыносимого положения, который
давно уже настоятельно рекомендуется лучшими ***органами общественной
мысли*** и который признан и санкционирован верховной властью в высочай-
шем рескрипте от 18 февраля.
In his letter he asks for urgent reforms to Russia's whole administrative and legislative system.
Can anyone give me a nice, concise term for this?
Все население России, задыхаясь в тисках бюрократического произвола,
доведшего нашу родину до полного разорения и способствовавшего целому
ряду поражений нашей армии более, чем усилиями внешних врагов, ждет не
дождется того единственного выхода из невыносимого положения, который
давно уже настоятельно рекомендуется лучшими ***органами общественной
мысли*** и который признан и санкционирован верховной властью в высочай-
шем рескрипте от 18 февраля.
In his letter he asks for urgent reforms to Russia's whole administrative and legislative system.
Can anyone give me a nice, concise term for this?
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That's what I think the intended meaning is and that's how I'd render it myself. To be sure, I thought of "think tanks" too, and that would be the perfect solution here, but come on - think tanks? At the times of Tsar Nicholas? Really?
I also think that in the end trying to follow the letter of the original here, and elsewhere, makes the writing more stilted and unnatural - more than it needs to be anyway. After all, this is not engineering or law.
I also think that in the end trying to follow the letter of the original here, and elsewhere, makes the writing more stilted and unnatural - more than it needs to be anyway. After all, this is not engineering or law.
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El oso
: It's reassuring to know that you thought of 'think tanks' too :-)
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Susan Welsh
: What is a "public mind"?//Oh, you mean it's something like a public restroom...
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The same thing as a bleeding heart, I think. You know, hug a tree, save the world, that kind of thing:) But you are right, I like it so much less today than I did yesterday.
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think tank
It's nice and concise :-)
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Susan Welsh
: In 1905?? I don't think so...
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How would you know they actually didn't have those back then? :-) They would have called them something else of course, but the idea was the same, I think.
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thought leader
It sounds like a neologism, but apparently the phrase was already around well before 1905 (see web references). It can refer to a person or publication.
The phrase "opinion leader" is similar, but I'm not sure if it was around back then.
The phrase "opinion leader" is similar, but I'm not sure if it was around back then.
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