Apr 27, 2006 17:36
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se presenta de dos maneras: una es fulminante, la otra es corriente
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I'm translating a linguistic text and there is one phrase that comes from a medical fragment analysed in my article. I'm not too sure how to translate fulminante and corriente when referring to meningitis and would like a second opinion as I don't think sudden and common may fit here. Do they have another meaning? The full phrase is:
Hay varios tipos de meningitis […] Entre las bacterianas astá la meningocócica, que es contagiosa, y se presenta a su vez de dos maneras: una es fulminante, y la otra más corriente, tiene los síntomas descritos, y es de buena recuperación.
Many thanks as always for any help!!!
Hay varios tipos de meningitis […] Entre las bacterianas astá la meningocócica, que es contagiosa, y se presenta a su vez de dos maneras: una es fulminante, y la otra más corriente, tiene los síntomas descritos, y es de buena recuperación.
Many thanks as always for any help!!!
Proposed translations
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| 5 +1 | ... in two forms: one is fulminating, and the other, more common, form has relatively MILD symptoms |
Muriel Vasconcellos
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| 4 +4 | acute and common |
Andrés Martínez
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Proposed translations
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Muriel Vasconcellos
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... in two forms: one is fulminating, and the other, more common, form has relatively MILD symptoms
I've done a lot of work on meningitis.
Your question doesn't reflect the contrast, which is between
symptoms that are fulminating or MILD. "Corriente" refers to the fact that the milder form is more common.
FULMINATE: to occur suddenly with great intensity
www.medtrng.net/webtemplate/glossary_main.htm
The full name of the acute form is Acute Fulminating Meningococcemia:
**He had a form of Meningitis called Acute Fulminating Meningococcemia**. It is a blood poisoning that acted so quick, that the bacteria really didn't have time ...
www.musa.org/jason_wiginton.asp
From Dorland:
... **acute fulminating meningococcemia**, Waterhouse-Friderichsen syndrome. meningococci (me·nin·go·coc·ci) (m[schwa]-ning²go-kok¢si) plural of meningococcus. ...
https:/.../us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_m_09zPzhtm
... healing. ACUTE FULMINATING MENINGOCOCCEMIA See also Meningococcemia; Meningitis, meningococcic; Waterhouse-Frideiichsen syndrome. ...
framemed.org/diseases.htm
BY CONTRAST:
Meningococcal meningitis
The majority of persons who become infected develop **very mild upper-respiratory symptoms or no symptoms at all**. More serious cases occur when the bacteria ...
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Disease/meningococcal.html
In most cases, **meningococcal colonization of mucosal surfaces leads to subclinical infection or mild symptoms**. In approximately 10-20% of cases, ...
www.emedicine.com/neuro/byname/**meningococcal-meningitis**...
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Too many commas in my answer. It should be:
... in two forms: one is fulminating, and the other more common form has relatively MILD symptoms
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Note added at 11 hrs (2006-04-28 05:09:24 GMT)
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I neglected to say that your question did not include "sintomas discretos," which is what is being contrasted with "fulminante."
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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2006-04-28 23:55:39 GMT)
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Urico points out that my examples all refer to meningococcal meningitis with fulminating septicemia. HOWEVER, meningococcal meningitis can also be "fulminating" when it spreads in other ways (SEE THREE EXAMPLES BELOW). I STAND BY THE USE OF "FULMINATING" AS A GENERIC REFERENCE TO THE SPEED AND GRAVITY OF THE SYMPTOMS THAT OCCUR IN THE ACUTE FORM OF MENINGITIS.
**Meningococcal meningitis** one of the most serious forms ... **In fulminating, rapidly advancing cases** the infection can progress in a matter of six to eight ...
www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0857/is_n3_v7/ai_795486...
Haemorrhagic meningococcal meningitis: is it scurvy? ... when the liver is overwhelmed by bacterial toxin that a **fulminating haemorrhagic disease ensues**. ...
www.nzma.org.nz/journal/117-1200/1029/
**MENINGOCOCCAL meningitis** (cerebro-spinal fever) is essentially a primary infection ... **In fulminating cases** or with vomiting, use Sulphapyridine soluble— ...
www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Surg-pt2-c10.html
Similar findings to the above were reported by Powars et al [7], following a review of 113 cases of meningitis caused by N. meningitidis (serotype C). [MV note: this organism is the cause of meningococcal meningitis.] Of 28 patients who developed **purpura fulminans**, 14 died and 10 of the survivors suffered gangrene with deforming autoamputation. Schaller et al. [11] , reviewed 135 patients 9 of whom died. **Fulminating purpura** developed in 8 patients, 3 of whom subsequently died. The remaining 5 required a total of 27 operations during initial hospitalisation and 2 required major amputation of parts of their lower limbs.
http://www.worldwidewounds.org/1999/june/Steve-Thomas/Mening...
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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2006-04-29 00:04:00 GMT)
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I think "descritos" was a typo for "discretos":
4,7% con **síntomas discretos**, en 3 pacientes fue implantado marcapaso definitivo, y 3,56% de los pacientes fueron. sometidos a Cirugía de Revascularización. ...
www.fac.org.ar/scvc/llave/PDF/tl157i.PDF
Cuando ocurren **los síntomas, son a menudo tan discretos** que la persona no se preocupa por ellos. El cáncer del estómago puede causar los siguientes efectos: ...
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cáncer_de_estómago
**Estos síntomas pueden ser discretos** y variar de una persona a otra, puede ser que muchas mujeres o sus médicos no asocien los síntomas con el cáncer ovárico ...
www.camprainbowgold.com/cancer_types.aspx?diseaseID=283&Par... -
Your question doesn't reflect the contrast, which is between
symptoms that are fulminating or MILD. "Corriente" refers to the fact that the milder form is more common.
FULMINATE: to occur suddenly with great intensity
www.medtrng.net/webtemplate/glossary_main.htm
The full name of the acute form is Acute Fulminating Meningococcemia:
**He had a form of Meningitis called Acute Fulminating Meningococcemia**. It is a blood poisoning that acted so quick, that the bacteria really didn't have time ...
www.musa.org/jason_wiginton.asp
From Dorland:
... **acute fulminating meningococcemia**, Waterhouse-Friderichsen syndrome. meningococci (me·nin·go·coc·ci) (m[schwa]-ning²go-kok¢si) plural of meningococcus. ...
https:/.../us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_m_09zPzhtm
... healing. ACUTE FULMINATING MENINGOCOCCEMIA See also Meningococcemia; Meningitis, meningococcic; Waterhouse-Frideiichsen syndrome. ...
framemed.org/diseases.htm
BY CONTRAST:
Meningococcal meningitis
The majority of persons who become infected develop **very mild upper-respiratory symptoms or no symptoms at all**. More serious cases occur when the bacteria ...
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Disease/meningococcal.html
In most cases, **meningococcal colonization of mucosal surfaces leads to subclinical infection or mild symptoms**. In approximately 10-20% of cases, ...
www.emedicine.com/neuro/byname/**meningococcal-meningitis**...
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Note added at 11 hrs (2006-04-28 05:06:47 GMT)
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Too many commas in my answer. It should be:
... in two forms: one is fulminating, and the other more common form has relatively MILD symptoms
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Note added at 11 hrs (2006-04-28 05:09:24 GMT)
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I neglected to say that your question did not include "sintomas discretos," which is what is being contrasted with "fulminante."
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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2006-04-28 23:55:39 GMT)
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Urico points out that my examples all refer to meningococcal meningitis with fulminating septicemia. HOWEVER, meningococcal meningitis can also be "fulminating" when it spreads in other ways (SEE THREE EXAMPLES BELOW). I STAND BY THE USE OF "FULMINATING" AS A GENERIC REFERENCE TO THE SPEED AND GRAVITY OF THE SYMPTOMS THAT OCCUR IN THE ACUTE FORM OF MENINGITIS.
**Meningococcal meningitis** one of the most serious forms ... **In fulminating, rapidly advancing cases** the infection can progress in a matter of six to eight ...
www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0857/is_n3_v7/ai_795486...
Haemorrhagic meningococcal meningitis: is it scurvy? ... when the liver is overwhelmed by bacterial toxin that a **fulminating haemorrhagic disease ensues**. ...
www.nzma.org.nz/journal/117-1200/1029/
**MENINGOCOCCAL meningitis** (cerebro-spinal fever) is essentially a primary infection ... **In fulminating cases** or with vomiting, use Sulphapyridine soluble— ...
www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Surg-pt2-c10.html
Similar findings to the above were reported by Powars et al [7], following a review of 113 cases of meningitis caused by N. meningitidis (serotype C). [MV note: this organism is the cause of meningococcal meningitis.] Of 28 patients who developed **purpura fulminans**, 14 died and 10 of the survivors suffered gangrene with deforming autoamputation. Schaller et al. [11] , reviewed 135 patients 9 of whom died. **Fulminating purpura** developed in 8 patients, 3 of whom subsequently died. The remaining 5 required a total of 27 operations during initial hospitalisation and 2 required major amputation of parts of their lower limbs.
http://www.worldwidewounds.org/1999/june/Steve-Thomas/Mening...
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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2006-04-29 00:04:00 GMT)
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I think "descritos" was a typo for "discretos":
4,7% con **síntomas discretos**, en 3 pacientes fue implantado marcapaso definitivo, y 3,56% de los pacientes fueron. sometidos a Cirugía de Revascularización. ...
www.fac.org.ar/scvc/llave/PDF/tl157i.PDF
Cuando ocurren **los síntomas, son a menudo tan discretos** que la persona no se preocupa por ellos. El cáncer del estómago puede causar los siguientes efectos: ...
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cáncer_de_estómago
**Estos síntomas pueden ser discretos** y variar de una persona a otra, puede ser que muchas mujeres o sus médicos no asocien los síntomas con el cáncer ovárico ...
www.camprainbowgold.com/cancer_types.aspx?diseaseID=283&Par... -
Peer comment(s):
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Andrés Martínez
: Sí, la septicemia meningocócica, pero en este caso alude específicamente a la meningitis meningocócica.
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I see your point about septicemia. However, "fulminating" can also apply to other forms of meningococcal meningitis (see new examples).
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Rachel Fell
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Thanks, Rachel! I was beginning to feel lonely...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Hi and thanks for the answer. I think you are right about descritos being a typo, something that I will of course comment on to the client. Thanks again. Thank you also Urico, your contribution is also much valued."
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25 mins
Andrés Martínez
Spain
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Specializes in field
Spain
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488
acute and common
"fulminante" es aquí sinónimo de "aguda", es decir, que tiene una evolución rápida desde la aparición de los síntomas. Puedes usar "acute" pero, en mi opinión, no veo incorrecta su traducción por "sudden".
En cuanto a la segunda forma, tiene una evolución más lenta y es la más frecuente, por eso yo hablaría de "common" sin más.
Baxter UK - Media Kit -
Acute meningococcal meningitis can be lethal within hours. Accurate diagnosis and quick treatment are essential to prevent brain damage or death. ...
www.baxterhealthcare.co.uk/about_baxter/ press_room/media_kit/qa_meningitis.html
http://www.meningitis.com/?idcat1=12&PHPSESSID=473c867d18ef6...
Meningococcal meningitis, when it appears on its own, is somewhat less serious than meningococcal sepsis and treatment is more likely to be successful. Still, all too often, it also leads to death or long term sequelae such as deafness. The disease is initially characterized by cold-like symptoms. ***On rare occasions these symptoms will lead to the acute phase of the illness which usually lasts about one to three days. *** Symptoms are numerous and variable; the most characteristic are photophobia, neck stiffness, and severe headache.
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También puedes hablar de "fulminant", sin más:
Medical Glossary
http://www.meningitis.com/?idcat1=32
fulminant
a disease is described as "fulminant" if it appears suddenly and develops rapidly and with great severity
En cuanto a la segunda forma, tiene una evolución más lenta y es la más frecuente, por eso yo hablaría de "common" sin más.
Baxter UK - Media Kit -
Acute meningococcal meningitis can be lethal within hours. Accurate diagnosis and quick treatment are essential to prevent brain damage or death. ...
www.baxterhealthcare.co.uk/about_baxter/ press_room/media_kit/qa_meningitis.html
http://www.meningitis.com/?idcat1=12&PHPSESSID=473c867d18ef6...
Meningococcal meningitis, when it appears on its own, is somewhat less serious than meningococcal sepsis and treatment is more likely to be successful. Still, all too often, it also leads to death or long term sequelae such as deafness. The disease is initially characterized by cold-like symptoms. ***On rare occasions these symptoms will lead to the acute phase of the illness which usually lasts about one to three days. *** Symptoms are numerous and variable; the most characteristic are photophobia, neck stiffness, and severe headache.
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Note added at 29 mins (2006-04-27 18:05:41 GMT)
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También puedes hablar de "fulminant", sin más:
Medical Glossary
http://www.meningitis.com/?idcat1=32
fulminant
a disease is described as "fulminant" if it appears suddenly and develops rapidly and with great severity
Peer comment(s):
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Dr Sue Levy (X)
: fulminant vs more usual presentation
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Thanks Sue.
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Paula Hernández
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Gracias de nuevo, Paula.
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Hervé du Verle
: fulminant is a presentation of very severe meningitis
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Thanks, Hervé.
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: "Fulminating" means very severe. The more common form has MILD symptoms ("los sintomas discretos"). "Fulminating" and "acute" are not synonymous. I think "descritos" was a typo.
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Pero Muriel, el texto señala "descritos", no "discretos", y yo entiendo que se refiere a una evolución más larga, con una serie o sucesión de síntomas bien definidos en el tiempo.
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Carol Gullidge
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Thanks, Carol.
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