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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

ausbrennen

English translation:

burn out

Added to glossary by Cilian O'Tuama
Jul 19, 2006 09:35
17 yrs ago
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German term

Ausbrand, ausbrennen

German to English Tech/Engineering Engineering (general)
Am 14. Juni ereignete sich im ABC-Abfüllwerk ein Unfall mit schwerem Personenschaden. Während eines Abfüllvorgangs von Gasflaschen mit gasförmigem Sauerstoff kam es zu einem ***Ausbrand*** einer 200 bar-Gasflasche. Dabei erlitt ein Abfüller schwere Brandverletzungen…
Erste Ergebnisse zu der Überprüfung der ***ausgebrannten*** Gasflasche sowie des Equipment liegen bereits vor.

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If it were a building and not a cylinder, I'd probably use "gutted". But here? "Burnout" doesn't do it for me either. Any suggestions, especially in the next 1/2 hour would be great.

TIA,
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 burn out
3 +2 severely damaged by fire, fire damaged
3 +1 burn-off

Discussion

rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
And here is the English version of Andrews reference: http://www.eiga.org/pdf/Info_16_00.pdf. They use 'burn-out'.
Andrew D Jul 19, 2006:
As you can see here the pressure regulater can burn leading to molten meatal as cause of "burn-out" of the regulator http://www.industriegaseverband.de/neu/eiga/eigasafetyinfo/f...
Peter Barker Jul 19, 2006:
After all, if a car sets on fire you don't normally say "the exterior paint and other flammable materials combusted" - it's not the relevant point.
Peter Barker Jul 19, 2006:
In that case, just say "a 200-bar gas cylinder caught fire and burnt out"
rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
Just remember that oxygen DOES NOT BURN, only inflammable material does and when that is consumed, the fire goes out although there might still be oxygen present.
Cilian O'Tuama (asker) Jul 19, 2006:
I agree too (like I suggested above), everything except the actual cylinder burns (contents, coatings, fittings...)
Peter Barker Jul 19, 2006:
Probably a bit late now, but here are my thoughts. I think we're trying to be too technical. You've said it yourself Cilian - the gas in the cylinder caught fire. So why not say just that (adding if you wish that it burnt out)?
Robin Hilder Jul 19, 2006:
Cilian. I agree with Rainerc that the cylinder can't burn, but the regulator could (plastic and aluminium components) and I know you have to be very careful about grease in the regulator as this can ignite.
rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
should read. operator's :-)
rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
Like I said, the metal cylinder itself cannot burn (except for the few microns of paint), but it probably was the operators clothing/equipment that spontaneously ignited.
Cilian O'Tuama (asker) Jul 19, 2006:
I understand it to mean it somehow caught fire and continued to burn until only the bare cylinder was left
rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
In this case the (partially filled?) cylinder may well have emptied itself until all oxygen was consumed in the resulting fire.
rainerc (X) Jul 19, 2006:
Cilian, you may want to ask for more info. Gas cylinders don't burn, it's rather the inflamable surroundings (plastics, wood, clothing etc.) that will spontaneously ignite in oxygen-rich air.

Proposed translations

+2
27 mins
Selected

burn out

I don't think "burn off" or "burn-off" is really as serious. It suggests the gas being "burnt off" (duh) as it escapes, rather than a catastrophic event.

I suppose there is a bit of a problem with the noun "burnout". In my part of the world, it is an anti-social activity performed by mostly young yobboes, who think that rubber is free, with their cars.

However, it is not particular to translate "Ausbrand" with a noun anyway. You can translate "kam es zu einem Ausbrand einer Gasflasche" with "a gas bottle/cylinder was burnt out". In the second context, there seems to be no problem with "burnt-out".

Whatever.
Peer comment(s):
agree Gillian Scheibelein : agree with Richard, but filled with gaseous oxygen? it should be "liquid oxygen" if the cylinder was at 200 bar//tut tut, I'm getting old, yes, C is well below RT, its a gas, gas, gas!
20 mins
Thanks Gillian. It said it was a 200-bar cylinder; not that the oxygen was at 200 bar. Does it liquefy at room temperature? I actually didn't notice it was oxygen! Of course in that case it can't be the gas that burned in that case!
neutral Robin Hilder : Hi Guys. The boiling point of oxygen is -183°C that makes it a gas at room temperature regardless of pressure (Jovian planets and high speed diamond tip impact excepted) (Me chemist too! Above Tc (-118C) gas not vapour)
50 mins
That doesn't follow at all. I was surprised by Gillian's statement, too, but she is a chemist.//If you knew that why did you quote the (largely irrelevant) boiling point rather than the critical temperature?
agree Andrew D : It helps burning a lot, never smoke near high pressure oxygen etc. /Highly concentrated sources of oxygen promote rapid combustion and therefore are fire and explosion hazards in the presence of fuels. => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen
1 hr
I saw a woman attempt to smoke a cigarette immediately after dipping it in liquid oxygen. It was not a pretty sight.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I decided against Robin's "damaged by fire" because too harmless (could just be surface damage). Ausbrennen implies the contents too go up in smoke. And to my ear "burning sth. off" means allowing it to burn under controlled conditions. Anyway, thanks to everyone. "
+1
9 mins

burn-off

From an article about rapid fire progress:

"However, remember that flashover normally results in a sustained fire rather than a massive gas burn-off and the tell-tale signs of a 'roaring sound', similar to a bunsen gas burner, is often heard as these gases burn off. In those situations it's a generally a backdraft we are dealing with."

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Note added at 37 mins (2006-07-19 10:13:40 GMT)
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Hm, it's a firefighters website... I assume you are in a rush but it would be worth while to check the link.
Reference:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:LANplB_o7LQJ:www.firetactics.com/FLASHOVER-Q%26A.htm+gas+burn+off+firefighter&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

Note from asker:
thanks, but this doesn't do it for me either as it sounds intentional
Peer comment(s):
agree Lori Dendy-Molz : Ernst suggests this for lubricants and binders, and I think it fits here as well.
3 mins
Thank you, Lori!
agree GET ENERGY (X)
5 mins
Thank you, GET ENERGY!
disagree Richard Benham : Sorry, Nicole, but having just had my attention drawn to the fact that the gas was oxygen, I have to agree with others that it was not the gas that burnt, as is implied by the expression "burn-off".//We have both "burnout" vs "a burnout" (of tyres).
45 mins
That's okay. Interesting connotation of burnout in AUS. Here in the US it means: being fed up with your job due to stress and long work hours.
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+2
38 mins

severely damaged by fire, fire damaged

I know it is a bit re-phrased but how about:

.....a 200 bar gas cylinder was serverly damaged by fire.

continuing in this vague vain that would make ausgebrannt "fire damaged".

(what I also found awkard is that the oxygen itsef doesn't burn as it's the oxidant)

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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-07-19 12:25:19 GMT)
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Hi Cilian,

More space here than upstairs.

Why did I quote BP rather than Tc above?

Well I had it to hand and knew that the Tc is not much higher, certainly not anywhere near room temperature.

A lot of people also get confused, as seems to have been the case here, between vapours and gases 255 characters is not a lot of space to deal with that.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Richard Benham : This seems a but cowardly. The question is what burnt. I can only assume that it was part of the cylinder itself.//The thing is "ausgebrannt" is pretty serious stuff, but "fire damage" could be minor.
18 mins
Exactly, but then we don't have a picture or extended context and this involves personal injury
agree Claire Cox : I'd go with fire as well here - a fire involving a gas cylinder, then fire-damaged would work for ausgebrannt
32 mins
Thanks Claire
agree rainerc (X)
2 hrs
Thank rainerc. I thought your notes to Cilian were very helpful
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