Dutch term
Swift, reliable and reasonably priced
Native in: Dutch
Works in: Dutch to English, English to Dutch
naar de vrijheid vorderen (19de-eeuws Nederlands)
Iemand een idee wat bedoeld wordt met "hoe meer men naar de vrijheid vordert" en met "voortbrenging"?
| 4 | to approach freedom |
Serge Wolff
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Kate Hudson (X)
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Nov 9, 2011 13:50: writeaway changed "Language pair" from "English to Dutch" to "Dutch to English"
Proposed translations
Netherlands
Speaking your language!
Native in: Dutch (Variants: Flemish, Netherlands, Aruba) 
Works in: English to Dutch, German to Dutch, Dutch to English
to approach freedom
"For that reason, the more one approaches freedom, the more intellect should be developed as an essential component for advancement as well"
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Thanks a lot for the award.
progress towards liberty
Technically this is two questions but.... very related
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Ide Verhelst (X)
: "progress" heeft een positieve bijklank, terwijl de schrijver net vindt dat vrijheid iets verwerpelijks is.
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Marjolein Snippe
: Ik denk dat hier niet wordt bedoeld dat vrijheid iets verwerpelijks of zelfs maar negatiefs is, alleen dat het slechts positief werkt als ook het verstand ontwikkelt. 'Voortbrenging' misschien eerder 'advance' dan 'bring about'?
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writeaway
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Lianne van de Ven
: Preference for 'advance' I think
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Josephine Isaacs (X)
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evolueren naar
==> naarmate er meer vrijheid komt/naarmate de vrijheid toeneemt
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O ja, ook nog een vertaling misschien ?
=> to evolve towards liberty
"But it was because he understood Western capitalism that he rejected it, refusing to believe that it could evolve towards liberty..."
"There are times in history, current times being one of those times, where the United States must step in to help countries evolve towards liberty..."
... de wereldwijde erkenning van essentiële mensenrechten en een aanzienlijke rol speelden in het stilaan evolueren naar meer vrijheid in de Oostbloklanden...
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writeaway
: evolve towards and progress towards mean the same thing
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Lianne van de Ven
: Since it is a 19th century quote, I would avoid the word 'evolve' for that timeframe, just to make sure. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=evolve
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English-Français-Deutsch-Hollands-עברית
Native in: English 
, Hebrew
Works in: English to Hebrew, Hebrew to English, French to English, and 5 more.
Development towards Liberty
"The qualitative account of happiness that Mill advocates thus sheds light on his account presented in On Liberty. As Mill suggests in that text, utility is to be conceived in relation to humanity "as a progressive being", which includes the development and exercise of rational capacities as we strive to achieve a "higher mode of existence". The rejection of censorship and paternalism is intended to provide the necessary social conditions for the achievement of knowledge and the greatest ability for the greatest number to develop and exercise their deliberative and rational capacities."
From this I take that liberty, in 19th century terms, is dependent on a process of development, hence my alternative suggestion of "development twoards liberty." In 20th-century terms I would use "fostering liberty."
"The first impulse in the <b>development towards liberty</b> comes from men in whom natural impulse and liberty are in equilibrium, and who are consequently regarded as types. " (Fichte"
<b>The development towards liberty</b> would last the longer, the more powerful and triumphant the great opposition current of authority would become. (The anarchists: a picture of civilization at the close of the nineteenth century By Mackay & Reuter)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Brief_History_of_Modern_Philosophy.djvu/178
Discussion
Zie het falen van de democratie vandaag. Veel mensen willen overal hun zegje over doen (met name over het beleid) terwijl ze er eigenlijk veel te weinig van af weten.