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prestigelöshet

English translation: humility

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Swedish term or phrase:prestigelöshet
English translation:humility
Entered by: Mario Marcolin

03:32 Jul 16, 2003
Swedish to English translations [PRO]
Marketing
Swedish term or phrase: prestigelöshet
Here's the context:

Precis som tidigare i kedjan krävs nu god överblick, prestigelöshet och fantasi i planeringen.

"Lack of prestige" would not make any sense in English here, since prestige is usually considered to be something positive in business English. Suggestions?
Matthew Roy, Ph.D.
Local time: 07:55
humility
Explanation:
"Humility. More than just niceness, humility reveals that the leader understands that no one person can create a great organization."

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Note added at 5 hrs 59 mins (2003-07-16 09:32:10 GMT)
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\"Genuine humility, however, is truthfulness: we acknowledge both our talents and our failings. Humility come from the word humus, earth. Humble people are down to earth. They are honest in evaluating their strengths and their weaknesses.\"


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Note added at 6 hrs 7 mins (2003-07-16 09:39:45 GMT)
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from http://www.catholic-center.rutgers.edu/true.htm

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Note added at 6 hrs 26 mins (2003-07-16 09:59:18 GMT)
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\"Humility - the best project managers acknowledge they don\'t know everything. The stakeholders, project participants, and customers all have their our area of expertise and add value to the project.\"
Glen B. Alleman(2002) AGILE PROJECT MANAGEMENT
Selected response from:

Mario Marcolin
Sweden
Local time: 16:55
Grading comment
This was a tough one...thanks for your help!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2down to earth approach
Sven Petersson
5absence of prestige
Mats Wiman
5humility
Mario Marcolin
3 +1openness to the suggestions of others and lack of undue pride
Karin and Folke Nettelblad (Folia Textproduktion HB)
3 +1a positive profile
George Hopkins
2 +2impartiality, disinterest, self-effacement, customer-oriented
Peter Linton (X)
3 +1dedication
Jonathan Widell
3low profile
Jonathan Widell


  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
low profile


Explanation:
My last suggestion before bedtime.

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Note added at 2003-07-17 01:56:51 (GMT)
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I got it! Sobriety! Or how about one of the cardinal virtues: temperance? Other words that come to mind: meekness and modesty. Actually any of these would sound just as quaint as presigelöshet.

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Note added at 2003-07-17 02:00:20 (GMT)
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Serenity. Seriousness.

Jonathan Widell
Canada
Local time: 10:55
Native speaker of: Native in FinnishFinnish
PRO pts in pair: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Johnson: could sound dodgy.
4 hrs
  -> If that were a problem, we wouldn
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
openness to the suggestions of others and lack of undue pride


Explanation:
Well, hopefully this can be of help to formulate something more brief and striking.

Perhaps just "openness to ideas" would be better.

Karin and Folke Nettelblad (Folia Textproduktion HB)
Sweden
Local time: 16:55
Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish
PRO pts in pair: 878

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  lena blondel: This is just in answer to the comment that "humility" in business is not at linked to "vision": please, do a search with the relevant terms.
7 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
a positive profile


Explanation:
I was thinking of backing Jonathan's suggestion, but perhaps 'low profile' in this case might give the wrong impression.

George Hopkins
Local time: 16:55
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 3143

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jonathan Widell: Let us show some prestigelöshet in action, so I will back yours. Thanks for the thought.
19 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
prestigelöshet
down to earth approach


Explanation:
Implicit in answer.

Sven Petersson
Sweden
Local time: 16:55
Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 8310

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Johnson: I think this gets over the implications in the best way. Glamour is excluded, whilst admiration/respect are not.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you very much!
disagree  lena blondel: it has nothing to do with lack of glamour or presence of admiration; it has to do with qualities, which are likely to be of a great value in business leadership and which is linked to vision.
4 hrs
  -> I agree to that "it has nothing to do with lack of glamour or presence of admiration", but disagree with the rest of your comment.
agree  Jonathan Widell: This is indeed the best way to put it (low profile excluded), and it is indeed implicit in answer, very implicit.
18 hrs
  -> Thank you very much!
agree  Yngve Roennike: hands-on approach
194 days
  -> Thank you very much!
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +2
impartiality, disinterest, self-effacement, customer-oriented


Explanation:
Just some suggestions.
I think the meaning here is that the (project?) planning requires a broad (holistic?) overview, impartiality and imagination.
In more detail, 'prestigelöshet' to me implies that the planner is entirely focused on the project, regardless of possible personal benefits (promotion, bonuses, prestige). In a word, self-effacement, but that sounds a bit too saintly and other-worldly for this sort of business environment.
'Disinterest' would do nicely, except that too many people think it means 'lack of interest', when it really means 'no interest either way - exactly my reading of prestigelöshet.
Other more remote possibilities are 'win-win' (both sides win) or a phrase using 'customer-oriented'.

Peter Linton (X)
Local time: 15:55
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 1432

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Mario Marcolin: To me this is humility.
1 hr
  -> I agree with you that 'humility' is what is meant, but you could never use that word in a business context - not assertive enough!
agree  lena blondel: This is the case with Jim Collins’ recent study called “Level 5 Leadership ” (Harvard Business Review, January 2001). Collins maintains that the Level 5 leader who blends “extreme personal humility with intense personal will ” is the type who best succeed
2 hrs
  -> You're right, that is a very good definition. I've come across a few in my time, but far more with the inverse charateristics.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
absence of prestige


Explanation:
....you need a good overview, absence of prestige and fantasy...


    Oxford Concise+MW
Mats Wiman
Sweden
Local time: 16:55
Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish
PRO pts in pair: 1826
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
prestigelöshet
humility


Explanation:
"Humility. More than just niceness, humility reveals that the leader understands that no one person can create a great organization."

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Note added at 5 hrs 59 mins (2003-07-16 09:32:10 GMT)
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\"Genuine humility, however, is truthfulness: we acknowledge both our talents and our failings. Humility come from the word humus, earth. Humble people are down to earth. They are honest in evaluating their strengths and their weaknesses.\"


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Note added at 6 hrs 7 mins (2003-07-16 09:39:45 GMT)
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from http://www.catholic-center.rutgers.edu/true.htm

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Note added at 6 hrs 26 mins (2003-07-16 09:59:18 GMT)
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\"Humility - the best project managers acknowledge they don\'t know everything. The stakeholders, project participants, and customers all have their our area of expertise and add value to the project.\"
Glen B. Alleman(2002) AGILE PROJECT MANAGEMENT


    Reference: http://www.cio.com/archive/120102/hs_humanity.html
    Reference: http://myweb.cableone.net/brpeterson/Humility.htm
Mario Marcolin
Sweden
Local time: 16:55
Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 249
Grading comment
This was a tough one...thanks for your help!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Helen Johnson: don't think that's what it means.
1 hr
  -> Well I think it does.http://www.niwotridge.com/PDFs/PM Chapter (short no email) U...
agree  lena blondel: I agree with this translation, not the one below. See note.... there is lots more on the net of the need for "humility" in business leadership.
3 hrs
  -> Thank you! QV article on Jim Collins and his study: Dec. 1, 2002 Issue of CIO Magazine
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1 day 25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
dedication


Explanation:
Complete loyalty to some person or purpose. Self-effacement included. A typical English expression, so I am not surprised they had to settle for prestigelöshet here. "Perspective, dedication and imagination." It is starting sound more and more like one of those ProZ slogans.

Jonathan Widell
Canada
Local time: 10:55
Native speaker of: Native in FinnishFinnish
PRO pts in pair: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yngve Roennike: Interesting suggestions, I don't see the other suggestions as working at all.
193 days
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