Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
that said, ...
German translation:
allerdings,andererseits,obwohl, dies vorausgeschickt, gleichzeitig, vor diesem Hintergrund, gleichwohl, ansonsten, anderenfalls, zwar
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That said, ...
I am working through a very long text, and the author very much likes the "That said".
Maybe that's why I am getting confused. In my mind,it introduces an argument which puts what was sais befor in some perspective.
In some cases I can see that, but in others the phrases have a context which is not so super-strong.
Can someone - probably a EN native, save me from my confusion, and lay out "that said, .." for me?
Many thanks!
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| 3 +3 | Andererseits (und mehr) |
Yorkshireman
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| 3 +2 | wie dem auch sei |
Cilian O'Tuama
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Jan 14, 2015 07:26: Steffen Walter changed "Field (specific)" from "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters" to "Idioms / Maxims / Sayings"
Non-PRO (2): EK Yokohama, Yvonne Gallagher
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Proposed translations
Andererseits (und mehr)
Andererseits,...
Obwohl,...
Dies vorausgeschickt,...
Gleichzeitig,...
Vor diesem Hintergrund,...
Gleichwohl,...
Ansonsten,...
Anderenfalls,...
Must stop before it turns into a thesaurus :-)
BTW: I know quite a few people who tend to start sentences with "Obwohl"
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Note added at 3 hrs (2015-01-13 23:13:05 GMT)
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I think the most frequently used in conversation would be allerdings and obwohl
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Note added at 14 hrs (2015-01-14 09:31:36 GMT)
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Almost forgot - there's nichtsdestotrotz, as well (what a strange word)
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Cilian O'Tuama
: and I've heard marketing people start a conversation with the word "zwar"
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Yes, that's another one
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THX!
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Horst Huber (X)
: Das zugegeben ... Vorsicht : "Nichtsdestotrotz" (nichtsdestoweniger / trotzdem) ist ein Quatschwort, genau wie "irregardless".
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Agree :-)
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wie dem auch sei
| "That said " is one of the real tricky ones- many thanks for your help! I used several suggestions from the Yorkshireman - no splitting the 4 points, alas. |
Discussion
www.dict.cc/?s=that said [nevertheless]
Übersetzung für that said [nevertheless] im Englisch-Deutsch-Wörterbuch dict.cc.
somit - folglich - demzufolge - angesichts dessen - davon ausgehend - auf dieser Basis - unter Berücksichtigung dessen - dennoch - trotzdem - nichtsdestotrotz - im Gegensatz dazu - im Widerspruch dazu steht jedoch, dass... - bedenkt man aber, dass... - weiterhin - darüber hinaus - außerdem - ...
"That said" ist m.E. im Prinzip nichts weiter als eine Floskel, die eine Überleitung schafft und mal so, mal so eingesetzt werden kann. Vielleicht helfen dir die verschiedenen Vorschläge ja als Anregung für weitere Formulierungsmöglichkeiten. :-)
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/Having-said-that-or-Tha...
Ich gebrauche es selten, wohl weil ich nicht oft Anlass habe, einen Kontrast in einer Discussion herauszuheben, was der am meisten übliche Zweck dieser Formulierung zu sein scheint.
http://www.dict.cc/?s=having said that